35 + WZ's and not a single win...Is it now a necessity to roll Empire to even have a chance at finishing the daily?... Daily? Hilariously I've had it for almost 4 days now. Seriously I'm generally top heals, usually top objectives and I can't get a WZ win to save my life! Where did it all go so wrong?

Then you have no business PvP'ing then. Leaving a match live when your team needs you makes you not just selfish, but egotistical. Your days are numbered, enjoy your selfish ways for now. I will and honestly even with a debuff coming I'm still going to leave. Again I WILL NOT support a team that refuses to contribute to a win. You wanna farm? You do it without me end of the story.

It's Huttball - From the moment of its conception to the end of MMO's we will all be able to point to HUttball and say 'Yeah this PvP board is terrible...the design is horrible and it's amongst the most flawed PvP boards of all time....But it's still so so much better than Huttball.'

People played SWG past the first free month?

Honestly most of them are played by people that don't get it...I mean I typically just throw a few jukes in and they seem to get confused and move on to someone else...I know pro right? But seriously try it...its worked about 85% of the time for me...Come to think of it...The same thing has been fairly effective with BH's as well...

2/10 for an additional response... Not sure what happened but the quality of trolls in SW:TOR isn't nearly as entertaining or clever or the quality established in EQ and even WoW.... So with a heavy heart I say 'Be clever or be quiet.' Not everyone is intelligent enough to troll and bad trolls like this one just make the rest of us feel bad for ya...

I'll be frank if I log into WZ and I see a bunch of kill farmers I'm out. I'm not going to waste more than a few minutes if the team is worthless. Sorry I have absolutely 0 interest in helping you farm kills, win as a team or be abandoned on your own.

I'll counter your argument with the same reasoning.... You cannot prove the game is meant for PvE, got it. In the meantime very little of the game is PvE, that is self evident.

Exactly, you simply cannot accept that putting a round peg into a round hole (PvE) isn't challenging for most people...You could put monkeys behind the keyboards and they would eventually defeat any raid in any game ever..... People want a challenge not a scripted, dull experience. PvE's a safety net for gamers that cannot handle being challenged.

More to the point can you disprove this?

PvP'ers need something to do while we wait in queues...It always makes me smile when PvE gamers realize for the first time that the game is not, will never be and was never intended to be about PvE.

PvP makes MMO's - BW has recognized this and is working to appease its player base....

And that's the simple truth. Money talks, enough subs get lost there will be a desperate attempt to fix the issues and of course it will be far too late at that point. For the 'It's your crappy rig!' people you have to bear in mind they're simply defending something they believe to be true...Evidence suggests another conclusion but eh try to convince a pig that it can fly... For the 'This game is dying because of the FPS issues' crowd....Again evidence suggests that this is wholly incorrect. The worst thing about people is their individual will and perspectives...No matter how convinced you are that you alone know the truth there will always be a group of people willing to contradict ya...

It's ValentiNes? Crap I've been going around calling it ValentiMe's for decades!

Irish nationality? Or Irish heritage? The more I experience the Irish culture the more defined the line between Irish Americans, and the residents of Ireland becomes.