Let's be honest here, if your guild member came in 3rd in damage in an 8 player match, even if all 8 players were dps that's the equivalent of getting a 62.5% or a D on a test (barely passing). That's not doing great. Also, bear in mind it's pretty unlikely it was an 8 man dps only team. But the real point is, if you'd been playing against a good team of geared pvpers, you would have left that match in a different frame of mind because 198s do not keep up with full min/maxed DR gear. But while we're at it, out of curiosity, what was the dps and overall damage on that pve sniper in 3rd place?

They don't like to be outnumbered. They resort to challenging everyone to ranked group when they start getting wiped because it 'isn't fair.'

Frankly, most of the time the best players aren't being rewarded anyway. The players who are willing to go right to the brink of cheating, without technically going over, are being rewarded. And in some cases, those who are actively breaking TOS and for example, having someone else play their character to get a good ranking because their 'ping is bad,' when their guild knows it's because they're sucking. (Though really, you'd think BW could tell the difference when someone logs in from Australia and the US in the same day.) In truth, there's nothing competitive about ranked with some players going in with just the tools provided by the game itself, and others going in using sync queues or macro scripts. You can typically tell who's using them too, by the way they move when they use an ability, since so many are chained together on one button.

I love it when a community goes to the trouble to read each other's posts and write thought out responses, only to be met by someone who thinks their time is too important to waste by doing so, and instead comes in to share a 'book' of his or her opinions without caring at all about those that have come beforehand. Not only are those comments redundant at this point, they're simply uneducated. And talking to the people who are asking for a change for the health of the ranked community as you do, isn't productive either.

I actually agree with the previous poster who suggested some kind of a hybrid system. Something to boost overall participation would be huge, but not in a free for all kind of environment. The expertise check is already in place in regular warzones, it wouldn't be that difficult to use it to eliminate improperly geared players from the queue with a message stating they need gear. Having a valuable achievable wins reward AND a valuable rating reward, would not be horrible, though possibly allowing people to choose which they're queueing for could alleviate some of the unease of the super serious ranked players, who don't realize the rating everyone else is measuring by, is group ranked. One of the biggest issues in the ranked community, at least on Harb, is the level of toxicity amongst the players. There's not simple trash talking going on there. There is open harassment, general hostility, and all kinds of irrational behavior related to player interactions outside the pvp environment, and even outside of the game itself. And I'll tell you something else, I know of a top 3 player who had other people play his characters to get him there, and he's the worst offender when it comes to toxic attitudes . None of these things are healthy for a solid ranked community.

I just don't think a guy who admittedly queued for about 12 games this season, is an expert on what will or won't work in our ranked community. Particularly since said player only queued on the fotm class (assassin/shadow) and still didn't squeak out a respectable ranking. Bioware would be much better off listening to the regular ranked players in these threads, some of whom have done quite well rating wise this season, who are still saying the current system isn't working. We're not just hearing from people here, who AREN'T achieving reward tier. And THAT says something.

This is not even accurate across the board based on how the queue system works. There was a team this season with one high ranked player and three players who had no rating. Do you know what they faced? The #1 Sorc, the #2 PT, and the #3 Operative, and then a random. That is not a viable match, with 3 people who hadn't even been locked into a tier yet. Perhaps something has to be done about how the queue treats non-ranked vs ranked. And additionally, though people would whine about not getting pops, if it can't find an appropriate match, instead of continuing to expand the range it searches, there just shouldn't be pops.

Are you an aussie? 5char boy.

Who forgot to shave him?

PvP is like this....Pay attetion to these two pictures and the rest will make sense. I don't care what server you're on or how ****** you might think you are. http://www.photoshack.com/albums/userpics/12358/lazerkitty.jpg http://www.photoshack.com/albums/userpics/12358/Arnoldbozia.jpg I hope you all understand what I mean after you have seen them. "Have a good sleep"

NoobCiples sucks. I used to pvp with them before I got gud. <--- --<--- <----