how is that even possible were they naked?

UPDATE AS OF TODAY: Nivanna POT5 BIGGEST HIT: 11,839 Double Relic Proc + Sent Buff+ Beginning of match Red Buff http://s672.photobucket.com/user/Darknsith/media/Screenshot_2013-05-18_11_27_22_591779.jpg.html

bump. I would like to know as well. I can transition this info to my guardian

Was it truly necessary for you to necro this thread? We all know it's a haven for babies. Just let it die already

I'm not one to agree with this guy much as I've seen most of his posts, but there is so much wisdom in the above quote it brings a tear to my eye knowing who posted it. Whenever I'm on my guardian, I know my role. It's not to top the charts, or to get a chubby every time I top damage charts. My role is to SOFTEN THE GROUP with well coordinated smashes so my other teammates can FF the stragglers thus making the healer's job more taxing. For the love of god smash is easily countered. Maybe not by pug standards but as far as the RATED SCENE is concerned (which it appears the OP **IS** talking about rated), if you are teamed with people who can't deal with smash (see snipers/gunslingers and knowledgable sorcs/sages) you probably have no business in ranked to begin with. DISCLAIMER: this is mainly ranked talk. If you have an issue in pugs, simple solution is to coordinate queues with some friends. Also pug smashers are pretty stupid and do some things that make us look very bad. I'll tell you this though. It may not be AoE, but coordinated snipers will screw your day up alot worse than coordianted smashers. and that my friend is FACT. not QQ opinion. EDIT: after more analysis of that screenshot, without divulging any names, I notice a 2 names that stick out like sore thumbs of constant QQ'ers of the forums. There's another thread in this forum http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=632399&page=11, and I reccommend you vent your frustration there, as the stats for that WZ show that even if they didn't smash you, it was a loss anyhow. Smashers usually don't try and ninja cap a pylon, which it clearly looks like that happened based on your score. This leads me to believe this thread is more of a "L2P QQ fest" and NOT an intelligently formulated "this issue needs to be addressed" thread.

After analyzing your first 2 screenshots and seeing the x8 and x9, it leads me to believe that it was a premade of 2 guilds versus each other. No one must have been playing objectives and it had to be a stat padding match as there are virtually NO DEATHS for a 6 round tango of ancient hypergate. Honestly not impressed as any 2 guilds can simul queue against each other and pull out stats like that. On another note, smash is fine...aside from this "free bump" i'm providing it really is pointless to create and fuel threads like this as it really shows what kind of person you really are. Yes I play a sweep guardian and i consider myself a good player. But to spit out ignorance such as "3 button faceroll" class just screams (T_T). -Does sweep/smash require a lower learning curve than some classes? That's all a matter of opinion. Any class is easy if you've played it from the start. IMO I feel like my powertech and sniper is easier to play. Thats my opinion of course and is in no way proven fact. -Does it require only 3 buttons? You can play with only 3 buttons all you want but get used to the respawn area if you truly feel that way. Maybe 3 buttons in the optimal smash setup, but combat focus is on a CD. every other situation requires buildup of singularity through force exhaustion. Long story short...play your own class and stop crying. Every class fills a niche in PvP (except powertechs/vanguards but theres already a thread about how Bioware/EA shafted them). Things like this makes you look like a toddler with his arms crossed, lips stuck out, stomping around because someone beat you. I mean seriously look at the title of the thread for god's sake. ELITIST MUCH? And 1v1 is irrelevent because any competent team focus fires. Focused/simultaneous smashes will kill you just as fast as 4 snipers focus firing. Or four demo rounds/heatseeker missles etc. One common formula which applies to EVERY MMO is there will always be a FotM or class on top. WIth that comes nerfherders and the QQ brigade. As long as class diversity exists there will ALWAYS be a class that naturally outperforms better than others. When you nerf it, another takes it place and the crying for nerf refreshes itself until we are all slapping each other with glowing wet noodles and shooting spitballs at each other. If you can't accept this, Tetris™ may be your thing and it's that way ------> EDIT: Now despite my love for the focus guardian, I won't be ignorant in my assessment and I can say that it is slightly above the curve. If a nerf was in order, this seems like the most fair and logical one that wouldn't upset the balance of melee to range. Smash burst is needed, otherwise this game would turn into Call of Duty Online: Space Paladin Edition with gunslingers, snipers, sorcs/sages everywhere using target practice on melees. Focus/Rage spec is the squishy killer. That fact must be accepted. The purple lightning firing squads are balanced by the fact that a maraud/jugg sent/guardian can drop them quickly if they aren't on their toes. Eliminate this and who's to stop them?

Ok, everyone by now knows I'm a religious PvPer. In addition to that I am a troll. ALways have ben since the early days of gamefaqs.com vanilla. Always will be! Sometimes I need a quick 20 min break from PvP before I re-initiate the grind. When I do, I find clever ways to "entertain" myself. Now some advice to people. DO NOT FEED ME AND MY KIND! if something is bothering you. Ignore it. Or better yet silently /report us and go about your business. don't make a big deal about it, or openly threaten us, or make yourself blatantly obvious that you are annoyed. It fuels people's egos FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DON'T RESPOND TO OUR TAUNTING By responding you take the boredom (most trolls are bored btw with lack of content and make up their own fun) of us sitting around doing nothing but spamming the 1 and 2 key and give us someone to talk to. Now when you cry and moan, and throw tantrums in /general chat, honestly you make yourself look like a toddler on a tantrum. When that happens you take a small almost pointless issue and it escalates. Then **** like this occurs: http://s672.photobucket.com/user/Darknsith/media/troll/Screenshot_2013-04-25_21_00_42_438426.jpg.html http://s672.photobucket.com/user/Darknsith/media/troll/Screenshot_2013-04-26_16_02_14_947974.jpg.html http://s672.photobucket.com/user/Darknsith/media/troll/Screenshot_2013-04-26_16_03_56_808800.jpg.html http://s672.photobucket.com/user/Darknsith/media/Screenshot_2013-04-26_19_43_32_029379.jpg.html http://s672.photobucket.com/user/Darknsith/media/Screenshot_2013-04-26_19_41_24_275072.jpg.html One holostatue turns into 15. One boat speeder turns into 7 all of this over simple fleet chat drama. TL/DR---don't feed the trolls. When you do, we come out from whatever cave, bridge, rock where we were dwelling and believe me, there are more of us than you!

I miss City of Heroes so much right now.

ALot of people from that guild are primarily exploiting that. It's sad because HSP used to be an amazing PvP guild I respected, and they still have some of the most legitimate "good" pvp'ers both pub and imp side, but people like that tarnish their name. Not gonna name the other 3 HSP members I've seen doing that but I've screenshotted and reported them as well. I guess the floodgates have opened to HSP's imp guild as well because the 3 I saw using it were on pub side.

As much as I want this fixed, I am more satisified with the fact we received a dev response. This shows some form of dedication as he was not required to say anything. With that it pretty much confirms it is a bug and INDEED an exploit. I will continue to pvp and I will continue to report and /bug anyone I see abusing this glitch. Thank you again for the response. It took a while but it got there

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html

everything you just posted is 100% truth. But the part I bolded in your post defines efficiency. Why waste my time in 8 seconds through rotation i can do in 2 seconds and achieve the same net result. Who cares. Again not trying to prove anything to anyone whatsoever. And you can't generalize that all smashers are DPS whores. I play smash and I play objectives ALL THE TIME. the fact i top damage charts is part of the playstyle. THeres no need for bashing. and for reference that article i linked is anything BUT irrelevent. Take the time to read it and you will notice similarities between it's definitions and some of this game's community. Scrubs exist EVERYWHERE.

BUMP for Dev attention

Can you please define skill to me? This is a serious question btw because it seems to be the main argument against people who roll smash/sweep spec'd characters. I think skill is very ambiguous as what oneperson deems "no skill" another player can argue it takes skill to use it well. On my Powertech for insance my rotation is flame burst, flame burst, explos. dart, thermal detonator, railshot, burst, burst, railshot, burst, rocket punch, etc. (you get the picture). Sounds pretty basic to me but it's an effective rotation even if it's spamming only 3-6 abilities. All classes in PvP pretty much spam the same abilities otherwise you're just a walking bag of randomness with no optimization. Very simple and very effective on my sage it's rotate the ops window through heals, throw a puddle down, bubble up primary melee dps and rotate accordingly. Keep everyone alive and try to monitor/gauge people and keep them above 50% at all times so i don't stress my force lvls keeping them from the brink of death. Like before-- Simple and effective On my Guardian, I try to burst out people before healers can respond, and jump in the middle of crowds and throw down smashes, which in turn puts pressure on healers to get multiple people up. By smashing a group of people lowering HPs, it allows my teammates to pick out and FF the stragglers while I dispatch/master strike single targets after Smash softens them up. Once gain simple...yet effective Any person can associate any class with "not requiring skill" and usually the most popular/FotM class is hit with the "lol derp, no skill required keep rolling it" retort. I'm not offended by it in the least but it seems to foster a very scrubby mentality. And for reference when I say scrubby I'm referring to the term mostly associated with the fighting game genre as I'm an avid SSFIV player. I don't want to go on any longer but honestly guys, learn to counter the class that gives you problems. Especially in an MMO Whenever people complain about smash, or even put condescending titles on the class like "derpsmash" "smash monkey" "smash noob" I just brush it off my shoulders and think of this: http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html It hits the nail on the head for a lot of players in this game.

no offense taken. Opinoins are opinoins and we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Trust me I hate getting smashed as much as everyone else does but it is part of the game, and it is fairly easy to deal with. ALso despite the hate it receives it's common knowledge in any MMO regardless of mechanics that in PvP burst > DoT. Also in warzones it's very rarely 1v1 so as long as healers remain once again "derpsmash" will win vs vigilance. you can heal through DoTs but it's hard to heal through high amounts of frontloaded damage regardless of how "noob" or "lack of skill" it may seem. People want to be effective. Not just about numbers. It's the reason you see alot of smashers. Because it is proven and effective. Vigilance may require more "skill" to play (not sure what people refer to when they say skill) which to me translates as a larger selection of moves for a rotation. But even so the net result is the same. Why go through a bunch of overhead slashes, blade storms and master strikes, when a focus spec'd rotation is all you need? What do you have to prove? A dead body is a dead body whether you used Sweep, Demolition round, Turbulance, or Trick Shot to get there. Unremitting is amazing as well I agree 120%. But I don't feel trading 15% free surge and the amazingness of force exhaustion to take advantage of that.

This pretty much sums it up. QFT It's working as intended until someone comes out and says something. I won't stoop to that level and I will continue working towards my conquerer gear hoping bioware fixes it, but i'm gonna hope for the best and prepare for the worst. I was destroying people and putting up big numbers before 2.0 hit, I can do it without this BS floating around.

As a former vig spec'd guardian and current focus spec'd guardian I have to disagree with your post. Focus tree does ALOT for your team and the big number smashes are the reason why. When you fight someone 1v1 to burn them down, you make a healer's job easier by having them peel off and focus fire heals on your current enemy. When you are smash spec'd and you hit a crowd of people for 6-8k per smash you put more pressure on the healer as they have more targets that need their health up. In addition the 15% free surge you get from focus tree allows you to pull out some crazy numbers with dispatch, master strike, and force exhaustion as the 15% DOES NOT respect the surge DR tables. As a result it's not unheard of to have 90ish% crit multiplier pulling of *consistent* 8,9, and sometimes even 10k smashes. On my sage when I see half my team drop below 50% health from the opening salvo burst damage of a guardian/jugg it puts more pressure on my job VS seeing a vanguard, vigilance guardian, or combat sentinnel trying to Bruce Lee his way through opponents 1 at a time. I can focus my heals VS single target dueling VS AoE mass carnage.

if you're on Pot5 server ask <Hoth Ski Patrol> There. After all this i said it. They know EXACTLY how to reproduce this. I only know from what I've tested and I'm out of credits to test it anymore.

OK so this will be my final post on the matter as I provided enough PMs, links, screenshots, info, etc. on this matter and now i'm leaving it in dev hands. This will be screenshots showing what I found through inspecting some other exploiting players' gear, and trying to recreate it based on what I've noticed. This is what I found and it's absolutely disgusting. What's even worse is that this is primarily GREEN LVL 37 GEAR with LEVEL 10 AUGMENTS. Those who are saying that it's an expensive glitch are WRONG. These augments cost 25 credits to remove! START OF WARZONE--NOTICE STATS: Pay attention to the underlined stats: http://www.hvndgalaxy.com/profile/4975445/pics/detail/album_id/266282#pid=1669578 AFTER THIS EXPLOIT IS APPLIED--NOTICE STATS: Pay attention to the circled and underlined. Notice the change http://www.hvndgalaxy.com/profile/4975445/pics/detail/album_id/266282#pid=1669579 http://www.hvndgalaxy.com/profile/4975445/pics/detail/album_id/266282#pid=1669580 If this doesn't alert you guys to how bad this bug is. I don't know what will. And this is just from my best attempt at recreating it. There are people WITH 45k HEALTH and 1600+ Force and Tech Bonus damage. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!! fix this bioware before it gets too out of hand. Or better yet at least aknowledge theres an issue.

OK enough is enough, just did another warzone (thank god they were on our team though) with this "guild again" and 3 of them had the same setup pulling damn near 40k HP and the final hit of the warzone was 13,221. On a gunslinger. Now I'm kicking myself in the nuts right now for not screenshotting the end warzone but i was able to find him on fleet and inspected his gear. This is what he was wearing. *NAME IS EDITED SO I'M NOT VIOLATING RULES ToS* http://www.hvndgalaxy.com/profile/4975445/pics/detail/album_id/266282#pid=1669316 as you can see that gear is appalling, ranging from lvl 37, to some of it being 47, 52, 53, etc. etc. using lvl 10 augments of any type (willpower, aim, strength, etc.) It takes alot and I mean ALOT to get me at the point of giving up, but until this is fixed, I'm not doing rateds for sure and i'm considering giving up on PvP in general. It's not fun anymore. I live longer in the Black Hole Blue toxic chemicals than i do against a premade team of augment exploiters. This is more degenerate than the enhancement bug. I have good friends and guild members considering leaving this game as PvP was our sole focus, and bioware is killing that! I don't want to lose them. I don't want to leave either as I love this game. BIOWARE PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS ASAP. OR AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT EXISTS AND SOMETHING IS BEING DONE ABOUT IT!

400 credits per warzone...yes lvl 9 augments work BETTER than lvl 55 augments (lol go figure!)

Well I witnessed a guild using a variation of this bug that makes my previous post laughable at best. I'm going to post some screenshots showing it but its VERY VERY bad. PLEASE lets get some word showing that something is being done or worked on.

Just witnessed a 13k demo round last warzone about 20 mins ago. This is getting crazy. Something NEEDS to be done. At least lets get some Dev attention in here. People shouldn't be pullling numbers like that WITHOUT EVEN WEARING ANY CONQUERER GEAR.

what if i told you I can reproduce it with lvl 9 augments, mk-3 kits, and achieve a 12k crit...all for the cost of....35 credits per extract! the photos above was an example. the augment glitch is TERRIBLE as I hit consecutive 11k crits and a COMMANDO (won't give the name as it breaches ToS) hit a 12.8k crit in huttball. this glitch is HORRIBLE and needs to be fixed. For reference this glitch has ruined ranked warzones as a certain guild is running 8 man premades usitlizing the WORST variation/combination of the augment glitch which i REFUSE to divulge here. It's worse than I even initially thought it was and is definately GAME BREAKING. Bolster needs to go as it brought with it more problems than the balances it "claims" to have brought into the game. also for LOLs. It costs 35 credits * 14 slots= 490 credits---> DEFINATELY EXPENSIVE RIGHT?

Please look for Evilmoka's thread about augment glitch, I posted before/aft screenshots to show you it is indeed bugged and NEEDS a fix.