If I'm not mistaken I remember reading somewhere that defense screen was also going to scale with cunning so if I remember right that's just one more reason to stack cunning over power

I love my sabslinger and can't see ever leaving the tree nown and I absolutely loved DF for lvling. But now that defense screen bUffed it feels pretty op how much survivability I have. I think after last night fighting my own guild in a rated and topping dmg over one or two other slingers fully WH geared out as SS and DF it made me really love the dmg output. Its all about fine tuning and finding your rotation and knowing when to push on someone and when to just hold back and conserve energy.

Dumbing the game down alrdy seems like a terrible change to me personally. Last I checked in war there aren't different colors for missiles but good thing u play this game and not protect the country. Sounds like you'd be teamkilled quite often

Wait a week then all the high ranked teams will be fighting eachother and you will get to fight the terribads with equal gear to yourself. This is also preseason to work out all the kinks for the people that couldnt/didn't bother to try it on on PTS.

I must say I gave out a similar hybrid a go this weekend and really found it underwhelming. I did like the ability to setup nice burst combos but find that my previous full sabo build much better fit my playstyle. I think some of it had to do with not being built with high crit.

Since were talking about ranked why would one toon have to take down one other toon. If you're only 1v1ing in ranked your doing it wrong and with that SS burst timed with the other people beating or doing a hard switch to someone else will be enough to score that kill. And you know what I'm glad there are people that are hating on us as long as you're not in my guild then I'm fine with u not taking every advatage to win games.

I can't reply based on scoundrel dps but from the threads I've seen "dream rated dream/ what's your make up for rated look like" I haven't seen to many ppl picking scoundrels to dps. Take that for what's its worth and if u didn't like the sniper playstyle in pvp will gs be any better?

Problem I find with east and west is people tend to not know the right direction. Neat thing about the mini map is looking at it the top will always be north and botom will be south then you just have to remember what you were taught in elementary school which for most players shouldn't be more then a few years ago. Never Eat Shredded Wheat in otherword N-E-S-W pretty easy folks!

Not to sure about other classes but flourish shot ( if there is no other classes with a mortal strike -20% healing ) is reasonenough to bring a slinger along. As sab spec u have the aoe ppl have spoke about but u also have the ability to survive longer withs your defensive cds.

So after playing the sab spec all weekend here are some of my thoughts on it. When I first played it lvling up I lasted about 20 mins and then I switched back to DF mostly because I wasn't willing to learn the spec and the rotation. Now after playing it especially in wzs I really can't picture going back to DF or even SS. I mean for solo queing to have that amt of survivabilty its top notch. I am also quite pleased with the burst dmg you're able to put out as well. I know its situational but also noticing pulling more dps( of course so many variables). Can't wait to put in to practice all the tools we have such as the quick shots after leaving cover which I'm still trying to implement.

Yeah good thing I came back to read and you guys post that cuase I totally have not been using quick shots so when I am low and in cover I will def be doing that now. Thanks for that tidbit, also after playing a little more with the spec Im truely lovely the survivability cant count the number of times Ive been able to pop defense screen twice and keep me up til posse came to back me up. Also pretty sure toda yin a premade made a mara smash his kb by living thanks to 2 defense screen/health pot and some timely heals. Youve made a believer outta me and this spec =)

Well after playing the spec for a night Im heading in the right direction and Im loving the opp to have 2 defence screens/cool head for sure. It seems a little weird to me to pop shock charge? or whatever it is to renew the cds, but I guess with it only being on a 30 second cd its not that big of a deal. Also after playing only DF I find that I end up with alot of time when my skills are on cd, now I know you said charged burst/FF would be fillers with thermal gren in there. Would there be anything else possibly a aimed shot if I pop ill mods/relic? Overall though I must say I am enjoying the first night of the build. Thanks for all the help.

Thanks been very helpful and will be learning this sab spec this weekened for sure and I am sure I will have more questions that I will throw at ya once i become a little more familiar.

So I've pretty much only played DF and have been reading the forums the last couple days been seeing a few threads on the full sab spec. Its caught my attention and really look forward to giving it a shot this weekend. With that in mind I was just wondering what sort of advice you guys would have to give a first time sab player. I'm aware I could read the sticky and get some general information but I'm looking for your experiences in pvp as that's all that interests me. So specific times to use certain skills/ a typical rotation. Some counters/tactics vs specific classes you know pvp stuff anything pvp related would be much appreciated looking forward to trying a new playstyle. Thanks, Fellow GS

Not 50 (46) but I've loved lvling my DF slinger that's for sure after lvling a deception sin I know how it sucks to have dps cut in half. As well the aoe dmg is a welcome bonus. I will say I wish I either had stealth or a heal though