WoW was one of the biggest 'instant successes' ever in terms of MMOs I'd say. It continued to trump game after game for all of these years too. Give credit where credit is due at least.

More players = more money. Who cares if someone is 8 or 45, they both pay their sub per month. Games exist to make money, its a business, they're a company.

Hahaha, so defensive. I meant your posts as a whole, buddy. I have the amazing power to be able to enjoy more than one thing at a time. If I want to play WoW, I can. If I want to play SWTOR, I can. No need to bash anything

You're awfully defensive and seem hostile when its talked about though. Why-so-intimidated?

Oh so since they added a little mini game you hate the core game now? I bet you hate IPhones too. Enjoy driving a civic all your life, tool.

They are different things to a certain degree. The core features are the exact same, even 99% of the abilities are the same as WoW with different names. The face value and display is different, everything else is the same. Who cares? Play what you want and don't bash something for no reason. That just shows jealousy and envy.

I completely agree, I'm just saying that the core features of MMOs have been the same forever. yet all these people hate WoW because it's popular.

Isn't it funny that all these random WoW haters here don't realize that this game is exactly like wow? MMOs havn't been very different in years. How can you like this game and hate wow when the gameplay and everything is the exact same. Oh yeah this game talks to you, big deal lol.

You said "no need to read the forums", yet if you did, you would understand how it correctly works, hahahaha.

I went from valor 41 to 60 within the hour. You seem angry for someone who knows everything! Oh wait...

Obvious oblivious person is obviously oblivious. Read the forums or do a little bit of googling. The way to rank up your valor nearly instantly is everywhere. Get better glasses

Lol@the stupid people in this thread saying OP is trolling just because they don't know about the 2 valors bugs. 2 60's and counting woooo

No offense but that build is terrible. Maybe you were going for some sort of terrible pve/pvp hybrid build, I don't know... 3% damage against someone poisoned is almost nothing over the course of a fight, due to how fast kills come to you (hint: Its a PVE talent). You give up 30 sec of cooldown on vanish as well as 25% more speed from it. 50% to re-grant TA instead of 100% makes no sense, considering this is your only means of keeping TA up. You don't get waylay, which makes backstab FREE. 4% Endurance is less hp than a SINGLE AUTO ATTACK at level 50 with pvp gear. The stealth detection is situational and not necessary whatsoever considering what you give up to get it. Not to mention the defense is worth almost nothing at such a small amount, since you won't be stacking any sort of defense. 1/3 Survival Training? lol What? Do you even play an operative?

Cool tough guy. You can run BF3 on max yet run this at 45 fps? Even if you're telling the truth (you're not), there is a known driver issue with some of the more "high-end" video cards if you feel like using some google. Awfully defensive of your wooden computer

lol... If disabling windows graphics/themes/aero etc. helps with your FPS, you need to upgrade and stop looking for cheap minor fixes. It just proves that its on your end and not theirs. Just saiyan.

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#401McZGIModkrbfzZhM.1 Been using this forever now. I love Incisive Action because it helps me win 2v1s or more quite often, and I don't think the movement speed or cooldown reduction on debil is worth it for concealment. People will usually CC-break your initial opener, I can generally outlast them until their resolve bar dips down, debil, heal, heal, flashbang, heal, heal, I'm full health and they're dead . Plus I feel I can use my vanish more offensively instead of defensively. Just my opinion until we get a combat log.

That mess of a post and just plain terrible grammar and/or typing skills made me laugh. I asked for a screenshot of your level 50 expertise geared character, not any class specific. The reason I asked is because you say you die instantly, yet as I already posted, high geared OPs barely get through my bubble. Consider this my last response to your terrible posts. You're either trolling, or your community college is failing you. k bye.

How is experience irrelevant? Your posts are the typical post of a non-50 non-expertise geared played who gets killed quickly in PVP. Simple as that. If you are 50 and had expertise, you would know OPs are not nearly what people claim them to be. End.

Thats cool, except this post is about operatives/scoundrels. The reason for people mentioning their ranks is to show that with expertise, they aren't nearly as effective as people think. Thanks for reading the thread.

The reason I mentioned a screenshot is because you obviously have 0 experience as a level 50 with expertise vs another 50 with expertise. OPs have no chance against a commando who is paying attention. The OPs in my guild always talk about avoiding guardians/commandos because they just aren't worth it unless its a group effort. I die more often to missle spam and AOE crits than I do to OPs. Since I've had expertise, I don't remember losing to an OP once, and I usually can withstand a 2v1 unless its a commando with them.

Oh boy, someone is being defensive now. Backed into a corner...aww They've been giving out temp bans for AFK/botting in warzones already, where have you been? It may not be perfect, but there's been a lot more bans than you think, feel free to spend 5 minutes doing some searching. If you PVP'd enough to get rank 60, or even the high 50s you'll have a decent amount of gear. The climb from 50-60 is huge, you obviously haven't experienced it yet. No one is bragging about their "skill", pointing out your rank just shows time invested as well as possible gear earned. Also, why are you in the PVP forums, especially in a 'nerf this, don't nerf that' post if this is just some "casual rp game" to you? You sound bitter that you get stomped on in PVP. Ding dong. Who is it? Pizza hut! Ohh! You just got pizzowned.

The commandos in my guild pretty much dominate every warzone. Guardians I'd say come second only to commandos. I'm waiting to hear what rank you are and how much expertise you have, because you don't know what you're talking about. Better yet, post a screenshot of your character window so I can see your stats, that is, if you're even level 50.

Ahahaha, you owned yourself with your own post. As someone pointed out, there's a gear difference.

The only people complaining are the sub 50's with no expertise gear at all. They don't seem to realize how quickly they die to ALL of the classes. Stun or no stun, if you're out geared you have no chance. The 50 only warzones will help a lot with the nerf crys because the low levels won't get owned as easily anymore.

Commandos don't struggle at all, guardians certainly don't either. Gunslinger/snipers have a tough time but that's because they basically hard cast every ability. How much expertise do you have?