Yeah and i guess taken away their cool looking abilities will fix that..... Still Imperial agent story trumps any other story class easy..

Sorry to break it to you but you dont know what midichlorians are. They are not the force. They are only what alow living beaings be in touch with the force. Go watch the Original triology, they cleary state it is a mystical field in the universe. Basicaly its the physical, means wich taps the "mana" field. And yes Star wars is a mixed bag of Fantastic sci fantasy, classic adventure, and science fiction. The force however is mostly magic in space by all means. I mean you even have sith doing alchemy, and rituals, as he said there is fortresses, knights, princess, the first star wars movie was pretty much a classical saving the princess locked up in the evil fortress of doom, taking cues on the classical "hiden fortress" film of Akira Kurosawa, essencial at its core star wars is a gran homage to the japanese film maker ( wich Lucas, Spielberg, and Scorsese are gand fans), and many stuff were draw from Japanese themes, from japanese kabuki theatre, for instance to small words like jedi etc, and the concept of warrior monks, it was inspired in the oriental schemes as well. Lucas said that himself. To put it bluntly he is not wrong in the assertion of fantastical-scy-fy. In wich Star wars cleary is and always have been. Sorcerers, Warriors, Sages, Wizards it is all part of it. Alec Guinesss played Obi wan as a old wizard / mentor figure, in wich he himself adimited he liked very much the concept.

That is the thing about this silly versus threads, they never take in consideration the nature of the characters, only their power levels and stats, it is so imature and nerdy. In the end its the writters who decide who wins, if even come to that.. Not theoretical power levels and skills.

I can enjoy mostly everything in this show more or less. Only exception is Aladdin.

Good, because if it is, its a hell of a way to butcher her. ( the codex meantion, a time span of centuries though) Drew Karpyshyn said, it was meant to be her, but that they might have changed it.

About Revan and nyrssis it did, in my opinion. The assumption that the exile is more powerfull then Revan on most aspects. A thing that seems to difer totaly from the novel. Imo she also cant say that surik didnt folow Revan to the mandalorian wars, and admit at the same time that she did by control half the fleet and forces as a general. Im pretty sure Revan looked at her as a friend and as equal, but thats a diferent matter, as i dont think revan felt superior to any of his companions ( not counting his sith days). But they were without a doubt folowing him. Thats perhaps what the revan character and story is all about he ends up being the decision maker on the grand scheme of things, (allthough its a usual formula encountered in most bioware games. You play the hero, the charismatic leader that ends up leading conflicts and having a tons of folowers etc.) dont get me wrong i like the exile as much as anyone, more before the novel though. But there is no doubt that surik folowed revan in some aspects, much more evidently so in the novel "Revan" and in swtor. Personaly didnt like it much, but thats how it is.

The distortion of facts, to give suport to ones agenda or perspective gives it a away, on all things( the use of sarcasm in response to an opinion doesnt help matters either). In this case I will rather analise, the book and its story for what it is. Naturaly, im not talking about the strict sense of the word fanatic, at least not with the negative conotaction its knowned for , this is only star wars lore, not politics, or a religious debate, or a social-economic one, so lets not take this so serious.

Nice to see one of my favorite characters in star wars getting this attention, allthough i always hated her guts, and had a bad feeling about her from the start while playing Kotor 2, facing her at the end wasnt realy a suprise. sarah castleman totaly wins kreia with her masterly acting. Its a shame what Bioware did to kreia and her legacy, if it happens to be true

You always end up saying how nirssys was more powerfull then Revan... i dont see it that way at all by Reading the novel, excuse me to disagree on that point. And the exile was cleary a folower of Revan by all accounts she folow Revan in joining the mandalorian wars, we heard it so manny times in KotoR 2, that exact phrase. Alec might have recruited her like he recruited manny others, but without Revan there werent be jedi fighting in the mandalorian wars. I shouldnt be apolagetic for my opinions, i didnt mean to cause an argument over this, but to point out what i read the most in this forums, and that i dont think its fair at all in some points. To be more on tópic, we have very litle information of Revan lightsaber skills, we can only assume they were good, but there isnt no way of knowing that they could macth or surprass Maul. At anycase i figure something similar with Maul vs dooku, Maul having the physical advantage, but in the end being overwhelmed by the force, lightsaber combos. Again its only a conjecture. Its another Era, diferent times in star wars universe. diferent sith and diferent jedi too.

Revan a god? what? that wasnt what i meant or said. You can drop the sarcasm now. But he was cleary meant to be a character well above normal, well above his companions or folowers, wich the exile and scourge in fact realy are. And dont worry some of your posts are also unreadable due to surik fanatism.

Its amazing how Revan is downplayed in this forums. Probably due to buthurtness of screwing the lore of the exile and Revan. I dont know.... I had the oportunity to read the revan novel again recently, and Revan completly destroys Nirssys to complete suprise of surik and scourge, who were about to be destroyed thenselfs. There is no much room for conjectures, and what ifs, thats what happened. And we cant take game mechanics into account on Kotor 2 at all. Its actualy unclear what the exile achieved lorewise at this point safe that she quels a rebelion and a conflict created by Traya. Also Nirssys was not capable to raising a force barrier at all, she was even more suprised then scourge and surik. when revan reflected her lighting. I recall scourge actualy beliving if someone could take on the emperor it was Revan not Nirssys or the exile. wich didnt even cause a special impression on him in the cave on dromund kass. If not for Revan Either surik and scourge would have end up mind controled. There is no doubt neither scourge or surik are on par with Revan ( reborn) thats how bioware and drew made it to be. To simply put the exile has the potencial to be revans equal if her lore is to be expanded and take into account,, and even so i sadly doubt it. Its ironic that Kotor 2 been the most responsible to overate revan as a character, it has been used to downplayed him, via the exile. I belive it to be in the novel. But who knows.

Removing force powers on a force user using a lightsaber is abit silly sense alot of if not all of jedi sith used the force while using a lightsaber in some measure. If anything else to predict his oponents moves, or influence his resolve. I realy cant imagine a fight like that without the force. But agree how can normal human be stronger then a cyborg? If you are removing the force powers of Malgus, then remove the cyborg implants/ changes. Make it a normal kaleesh Grievious before the changes. And ill call it fair.

Ah! Malgus isnt a Jedi nor he is ordinary... I mean everything can happen of course.. but my bet would be on Malgus.

Computer generated imagery Google is your friend learn to use it have a good day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer-generated_imagery I think though the prequel triology isnt that diferent from the first triology. They both had terrible acting, and dialogues. Allthough the first triology had much more the sense of adventure and fantasy imo. Empire strike back is where the plot and acting shines the most, were in the prequel it doesnt shine at all. That said there isnt a substancial diference between the old and recent triology. The thing that is most underlined are the world building and the level of detail, wich are fantastical. As a space opera however it even isnt a good one persé. Imo they dont go deep on either avenue, of either fantasy, or adventure, or space opera, and it ends up being an incomplete mess on all of this things, safe for the world that is built arround and a few iconic characters.

Yeah meanwhile keanu reaves is doing cheap kung fu movies Allthough the 47 ronin might be fun, if not totaly perverted from the original classical story. For the ones that didnt see thor 2 yet. Go wacth it, totaly worthy movie on its own. You will know what we are talking about once it happens in the movie. Its very similar to decieved trailer...

Cant say its cheap though... at least in euros it isnt.

Im aware i got it at release back in the day. I just wondering if that wasnt what he heard instead... swtor 2 doesnt make any sense, and patch 2 .0 for swtor it was released for some time.

Gree event has 3 world bosses....

Are you sure you didnt heard Kotor 2? its a diferent thing though.

lol Mac... Apple is overated anyhow..

I dont think there is a fictional scientific reason for it...

There is also the cerkha quests daylies and flashpoints. There is also a new companion to unlock (trek the ewok), not sure about the quest line though, but i think there is one once you bought him either by credits or cc. Then there is the recurring events, the gree, and the bounty ones.

Not that is a bad thing per-sé judging how the game is now, and what was before. Anyway subscription model, is a thing of the past this days imo.

I tend to agree with you on this. Im not realy very excited about this too. Also calling this an expantion is a bit silly. Calling makeb an expantion was a bit silly too imo.

It made sense for the makeb expantion, and the actual release of the game. Its simple if you are F2P player you only get it in February, the actual release. If you are a sub you got early acess. There is nothing new in this model.