So by this same reasoning, everyone needs credits! I need credits to keep my gear / companions' gear / skills up to date! I'm going to roll NEED on stuff that I'm not going to equip for myself or any of my companions because I need the cash! After all, I'm helping to clear that particular content! I have a right to roll on that fancy double bladed lightsaber as a smuggler! Who cares if I can't use it or that I don't have any jedi companions? (no Guss, you only heal with your "jedi powers!") I need the 3000 credits it will fetch when it sells! --- Now, how would the other people in the group feel about my decision? How would that Shadow tank feel when I need on that double saber that he will actually equip? It all boils down to basic human respect and decency. Sure, you can cut in line in the real world. You can cheat on your wife because you love another woman. You can murder, steal, and have relations with goats. You are certainly free to do whatever you want. However, other humans are certainly free to not associate with you nor think highly of you for doing those things.

If EQ2 and TOR were both fun for you to play, and that you've made friends in both games... You've decided to cancel your sub to TOR because of these FORUMS? Why do you let the meaningless words contained in an online forum influence you so much?

Obiwan: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes! I will do what i must!" Anakin: "You will try!" -force leaps Obiwan -tries to turn on lightsaber Anakin: "What the... why isn't it working!" Obiwan: "Haha, you're dark 1 now, I can tell by the force corruption on your face!" Anakin: "Yeah, so what?" Obiwan: You didn't change your crystal, did you..." Anakin: "oh sith me..." -gets cleaved Darth Maul style Obiwan: "After all this time, you're still such a noob..."

Why are politicians so powerful? 1. They are just blobs. 2. They never move anything but their heads. 3. I don't see how one can move even if it wanted to 4. They look like you can easily just push one over and it would lay on its side like a slug 5. The only sort of prowess I've ever seen from one is resisting logic for monetary persuasion. Why in the world are politicians such powerful characters with minions and lackeys and congressional offices?

Hardcore server rules: 1. Only 1 character can be created, period. 2. Player must log on ever 4-5 hours to feed / drink character. 3. Account deletion whenever character is killed for any reason. This obviously includes dying: a. in space combat b. due to starvation c. companions killing you while logged out (in your sleep) 3a. When falling from great distances, if the player is not outright killed when hitting the bottom, the player will have a 50-75% chance of incurring a broken arm (cannot use main weapon) / rib (HP bleedout) / leg (-95% movement debuff). This effect persists until player visits a medical droid. 3b. When visiting a medical droid to recover from injury, the player has a 25% chance of dying from the operating table. 4. Player must fill out forms / submit ID when applying for a Starship piloting license, and renew that license every month. 4b. Due to player complaints about instances, there will only be one instance of the DISV (dept of interstellar vehicles) to both the republic and empire. Standard pvp rules apply. Everyone is conned red to everyone else, due to the DISV implementing a first-come-first-served rule policy. 5. No speeders allowed. 6. Sprint drains HP whenever a character has it toggled for more than 10 seconds. 7. PvP enabled (duh), even against your faction. Friendly fire enabled. 8. When healing, you can actually kill the person you're healing if you overdose him with overhealing. 9. Companions may or may not attack you at any moment (think Khem Val or Scourge) 10. Armor and clothing can suddenly melt / disintegrate when attacked by fire / acid. This will leave said player in their skivvies and all the armor stat bonuses are obviously gone.

Did anyone else have to walk to the endgame zone in the snow? Uphill, both ways?

I like this idea. They could easily tie in some plotline (BW loves plotlines right?) about how there's a major Republic buildup in Alderaan or something. House Organa getting ready to invade House Thul. To keep it from being a "lvl 50 lowbie gank fest" there should be different areas for different level brackets. The 30s would be fighting in X zone, 40s-50s would be in Y zone. Planets starting from Tatooine are large enough where there could easily be 2-3 key areas that the two factions can fight for. I loved the Tarren Mill / South Shore open world battles in that-game-that-must-not-be-mentioned. I would love it if pvp events would happen in Mos Illa / Belsavis prison / Corellia street districts.

I want Bowdaar, my wookie companion, to transform into a large panda bear.

Tired of all the "Grinding" you have to do in the game itself? Then feel free to participate in "Forum Wars, The Old Debates!" FWTOD will have all the name-calling, strawman arguments, rudeness, vitriol, and open ended Person Versus Person battles that leave both parties raging and feeling unsatisfied! Tired of killing womprats and shooting TIE fighters aboard your ship? Look no further than FWTOD! Oh look! Instead of pressing keys on your keyboard to defeat pixelated NPCs, you can now press keys on your keyboard to insult another forum poster because you didn't agree with his definition of "grind!" So much fun! So much abuse! It hurts so gooooooood, master!

Yet another multi-page debate over the infamous "what is grind?" topic. In the end it's just your definition of the word that counts. My job now is NOT a grind for me. I enjoy my current employment. My last job WAS a grind. I didn't enjoy my work environment or my tyrant of a boss. I still perform similar IT work, but there's a huge difference in my perception. I remember some very heated conversations in fan conventions. "No! THAT IS NOT STAR WARS!" "YES IT IS STAR WARS!" "NO! That's not TRUE Star Wars!" "Yes it is!" "NO IT"S NOT!" (verbal boxing match ends due to someone's heart giving up)

Stop sitting in meditation for hours on end and go run laps around Tython?

The original poster said TOR killed off his interest in WoW. There should be no need for explanation. It's his interest that shifted, and now you want to know how on earth that could happen? If you don't like this game, feel free to go back to WoW. Good luck; have fun; goodbye.

But I do have seat cushions for my Fury interceptor. I raided a Jedi temple, tortured some Padawans, had them stuffed, and now 3 of them serve as seat cushions for my cockpit chairs. The Jedi master makes a nice floormat to wipe my visitors' feet on as they enter my ship.

Welcome to TOR! Just watch your step when you come into the forums. It's the Mos Eisley Cantina of Star Wars. You must be cautious. It's a game where you really don't have to worry about being the best of the best. Back in WoW there were loads of people who made it their goal to acquire the best possible gear. Here in TOR, all of my guildmates care more about the journey to 50. It's like a novel that's written with 8 different perspectives in mind. The haters will hate on this post soon, if they've not already done so. Still, welcome to TOR to you and your guildmates, you're in for a fun ride.

Just think if Bioware followed Blizzard by implementing cross-server PvE teaming... There will be more companion needers than ever! I'm willing to bet some companion needers are just going to sell the gear anyways, because they won't equip it on their companion they don't ever bring along for solo play. They'll just hit "need" and justify it as "for companion" when they really mean "for credits" Hey, everyone needs credits, right? So just need on everything!

It's why I'm for a dungeon finder system but only if it's restricted to within individual servers. I'm a sawbones smuggler, and I'd love to have the dungeon finder automatically screen out those DPS that either need on everything or are rude to the group. I've got a short list of tanks to team up with, and I trust them wholeheartedly. If we get a DPS that needs on STR / DEF jedi gear that the tank needs because his Bowdaar needs it to, he's put on the ignore list and kicked from the group. I'm betting that DPS will have a longer Queue time in the dungeon finder system, due to the system not allowing them to group with others who have him on ignore.

Just throwing this out there, but solo +2 and +4 heroic quests. Doing these always feels great. For hard mode, try healing on the republic side with nothing but lvl 10 commandos in the warzone. They die like stormtroopers, and are much more amusing when they whine in ops chat.

My complaints about the warzones aren't BW's fault. On the republic side, lvl 10-15s queue up as half of the group, or more. They promptly get slaughtered because all they press is 1-1-1-2 then die in glorious stormtrooper fashion. Forget about republic teamwork; everyone runs around like headless chickens. On the imperial side, it's huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball -alderaan vs republic! huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball -voidstar vs republic! huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball huttball ...

Such a logical plan would never catch on in MMO forums.

It's more satisfying to plant 6 explosives at 6 towers and watching them blow up. As opposed to killing wild boars to get 6 boar ribs to make basted boar ribs.

my schwartz is bigger than your schwartz! At last, a thread where it's no longer hiding the real topic from all of these "WoW vs. TOR" threads.

They did say they targeted this game to be enjoyable for those who traditionally shied away from MMOs. This game will be alive and healthy long after the "it's not WoW so it fails!" crowd have moved back to WoW. You're right, it's not WoW. Things are different. Do you place enough value in the product to pay the sub fee or not? If not, then have fun with the next game. Seriously, have fun! That's why we pay for games like these, right? For entertainment value! Until then, I'm happy to be amused by all the "bioware, if you want to revive this game, you MUST do THIS!" threads. I can feel the hate, the loathing, the weeping and gnashing of teeth from the posts. It's very entertaining to see it unfold. Like the GOP primaries, there's so much underlying venom in those types of posts that it's better comedy than TV sitcoms.

Shhhhh... it's not their version of what an MMO should be... hence it fails...

Ri'zal Bayang magiliw, perlas ng silanganan, alab ng puso, sa dibdib mo'y buhay...

So... SWTOR is not innovative because "it's a WoW clone in the SW universe." WoW was innovative because "blizzard took EQ2, refine it, and create a game that's industry defining" SWTOR failed because it introduced voiceovers and unique storylines and companions for each class, while having WoW style gameplay. WoW won because it was an EQ2 clone that felt refined. Thanks for the information, buddy.