That ui is almost exactly like the one i have. except i got the portraits the other way around. I think ill switch them like you have cuz that lokks better and allows better realestate.

Since there are threads both for annihilation and rage specs for 1.2 and no real thread for carnage,except threads comparing it to others, i thought i'd go ahead and make one. I leveled up as carnage and thought it was a decent spec, but since i hit 50 ive been annihilation and i love that talent tree. But now after the buffs and changes I thought id give carnage a go again. I havent really had a chance to play around much since the patch and downtimes and irl interfering. But ive got 2 specs id like to try out and maybe get some feedback on. First one is what i assume will be pretty much a cookie cutter spec: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#100bcZGMrRRrrdGzZM.1 I understand some will prefer having narrow hatred over stagger. I havent had narrow hatred as annihilation spec and i dont think ill have much use for it as carnage either. therefore i went with stagger. Now the other build im tempted to go with is this: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#100bcZuMrRRRrdGzZMM.1 Now this spec features Decimate. the 20% increase to aoe is really tempting. ecpecially now that sweeping slash is effected by ataru berserk. I picked this talent with the cost of removing a point in cloak of carnage, which isnt a biggie. I also chose to remove a point from Enraged assult, which might hurt my uptime. What are your thoughts on this?

TOS and the fact that patch notes are always subject to change will probably nullify any claim on this matter. Still though...i feel cheated.

yep im thinking the same. I leveled up as carnage and been annihilation since i dinged 50. i liked the play style of carnage but anni had more tools i liked mainly for pvp. Thats gonna change now and im going carnage since the utility of predation shifted over there. Rage i probably wont touch after patch until dual spec comes along.

I guess its no more annihilation and hello carnage for me then. I need to have the added speed to predation for premades. And with phantom and force camo changed there's even less reason for me to say annihilation except being able to lock down healers and some group healing. Also the buff (i hope) and fix to ataru and changed ravager skill as well as short fuse avaliable its gonna be better for both pvp and pve so yeah...carnage for both pvp and pve for me. i can live without anni heals and healer class lock downs for that. And ive never tried rage as i dont like the lolsmash style..but i imagine its gonna be quite op now so once dual spec comes ill have that for when i want to go lolsmash op'ness.

yeah thats something ive debated back and forth about having ferocity or not. I mostly pvp in premades and the speedboost on predation from ferocity is something thats appretiated by my group as we all can get to the wz objective faster then most others, most of the time.This is especially golden in huttball but the 2 other wz' its also very usefull. Its also golden when i have to move in fast to cc or score etc. Ofc maxing defensive roll is really good in zergs or against rage spec warriors. But so far having only one point in it hasnt been a playbreaker. I might consider dropping the 1 point in defensive roll even and put it in to cloak of carnage to get some more rage build. But so far ive been able to manage with spending a couple gcd on assault here and there to get the rage i need. @Frankenstairs I also completely disagree with your build being better. Points in Malice i can understand as it affects our dots. But specing in to Ravager and Stagger seems to me to be useless compared to having Subjugation, Ferocity and Defensive Forms. If youre going up the annihilation tree, not picking up Subjugaion at least is going to hurt your effectiveness. Between a 6 sec Disrupt, Force Charge, Grip and the aoe cc u can completely lock down a healer for a good amount of time and probably also kill him unless hes way better geared or is getting heals from other ppl. Also having Payback as in that build seems to me to be alittle meh...sure it can save your life once a minute but is it really needed?

After spending a lot of credits trying to find a build that suits me ive come to settle with this annihilation build:http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#100bIbRrRrfGzZhMz.1 I'd like to have some feedback on it. I can say that i miss Enraged Charge and a second point in Defensive Roll, as i had in an earlier build. But then i didnt have Ferocity and Subjugation, and after specing in to these talents i cant think of going without them. I use this build for PvP ofc but i also use it for PvE Ops where it still is ok. The only thing i miss in a pve setting is the 2 points in defensive roll. As i play with pvp premades and enter huttball alot..... Phantom, Ferocity and Subjugation are probably the best talents ive had to play as a team player.

Nice video. You're a beast with all 3 specs. As one would assume when having that gear. Please post all 3 specs you used =) I am yet to try rage spec, but im tempted to try it one day soon. Level up with carnage and started my lvl 50 pvp career with it and i liked it, but fell in love with anni when i decided to give it a try. Your video has tempted me to give carnage another go. But with ravage and choke currently bugged isnt it a pain sometimes for both carnage and rage? As for the quality of the video it self: I very much liked the less clutter on screen because of eyefinity(nvidia fanboy here=P) I would like it more even without the raid frames on screen. I liked the zooming in on interesting and good to know parts. You seemed to want to try out several transitioning effects. Which is ok. I really liked the transition you did in a huttbal game where it kind of zoomed in on your char and then back out from him again to the new scene. Personally i like to just pick one or two good transition effects and stick with them to keep things consistant. The music you picked was ok. A matter of taste. I used to pick music most people really didnt like way back in WoW BC on my warlock. And when i get the time ill start doing the same here =P Btw what program do u use to edit? I usually used a mix of Sony Vegas pro and windows movie maker.

Maybe a noob question i know...but as the title says i am wondering what relic and adrenal type is best for annihilation. Ive been using crit/surge relic and power adrenal and im at just below 30 crit and at 71 surge in my pvp gear.

yep..after the patch i get this happening as well. its in pvp i struggle most with it.

well is it worth it if u do Rupture and then Force Choke, so dot ticks while u choke?

good vid. Rage sure does put out some nice crits. not tried it yet as im still leveling and cba to test specs until im 50. Im carnage atm and having fun with it. I got a request that Kinda also makes vids with anni and carnage.

Does the 15 % increased movement speed work? To me it doesnt seem to do anything. I speced in to the skill today and im not running any faster then anyone. 15% should be noticable right? If this is working as intended then Defensive forms is totally rubbish for a carnage spec.

interesting. i see this as well now in skilltree calculators when you mention it.. not at my gaming pc atm so i cant check what it reads in game, and i dont remember either. anyone who can confirm this in game?

Kiba ftw! Pretty awsome what your're going here. keep up the good work! edit: oh and /vote sticky