Coulda, Woulda, Shoula, Maybe... Come on guys. It's a simple question. Which game is free 2 play? WoW or SWTOR?

Yeah, Yeah. But um... Is WoW free 2 play? Tiaa P.S. Tiaa

Is WoW free 2 play? Tiaa

Pretty much this. It's quite obvious that SWTOR was tanking harder than EA would admit.

Why do people keep trying to compare SWTOR to WoW. In the end your feelings will just get hurt. Let's see.... WoW loses 1.1 million. Down to 9.1 million after many years. Star Wars The Old Republic. Biggest MMO Budget, Biggest Hyped, Biggest Name(s) loses more than 1.1 million subs. In less than 7-8 months. After tons of come back offers and free trials. After tons of incentives to keep players. And is now Free 2 Play.

I guess our definition of "better" is dissimilar.

Are you saying it got better? Ooo the suspense!

Nope. Bioware should be paying us at this point.

I don't hate SWTOR. Free 2 Play is good for SWTOR. SWTOR should have been free to play from the start.

Ah numbers numbers numbers. Need to have millions! Need to make empty promises to investors and fans alike. EA is only good at assuming incorrectly and lying. Perhaps if EA/Bioware focus on making a good game instead of how they can sucker people into subscribing...

Wasn't "Total Biscuit" the same guy who had that video praising SWTOR on how good and great it was?

I'll actually stay. Though I realise the games decline was due to Biowares failures. This game should have been F2P to begin with imo.

Free 2 play is a GREAT idea. After months of saying it I am glad it finally happened. Free 2 play means MORE content updates because they have to work harder to get you to pay. This is why F2P is MUCH superior to pay 2 play. With P2P they can sit back. With F2P we have the power.

Yeah actually the "haters" were right about EVERYTHING that happened with this game.

B2P? Are you serious?! This game is so good IT SHOULD have a sub fee and cash shop stock full of MTs. There is NO game...I repeat NO game with the replay value of SWTOR. What other MMO let's you make ALTS for endgame? Until Bioware came along, NO ONE would play alts. Thanks Bioware. Everything is fine Bioware. Don't mind or listen to your "alarmist" operator. There are no icebergs ahead.

I'm guess 3 million subscribers without free trials. Adding free trials we are looking at about 7 million active. It explains why they are still laying off people. More subs and money = more layoffs.

I agree. There is nothing wrong with this game going F2P. It actually reminds me of DCUO which should had been F2P to begin with imo. This is a hub / instanced game and obviously heavily casual. I don't talk about content because I like to enjoy small content for a long period of time but at this point: I'd rather pay for legacy perks than pay a sub fee and deal with these tedious cash sink grinds.

Funny you should say soon. Yes you are right about one thing: Usually they don't make it free to play. Their MMOS get shut down and sold.

Also let's point out that EA previously DENIED they were mass laying off people http://www.joystiq.com/2012/04/16/ea-denies-report-of-incoming-mass-layoffs/ And then they turned around and did exactly that. Oh yeah! I trust EA so much! Bioware did the samething. Bioware and EA promises mean zero. Just spins and lies no better than fanboys on this forum making stuff up.

All this article tells me is that SWTOR will be F2P soon. This much is obvious by now. Doesn't matter if there are two lay-offs, three lay-offs or one big massive lay-off. Are you arguing that because it's only "giant lay-off" that it's some how better? "Restructuring". Cute terms for "We are firing mass amounts of people because we are losing tons of money." Fine print: This is alot worse than waves. All it means is that tons of lay-offs have happened that we won't know about. Bioware studio lay-offs are coming in waves. So there has been two as far as the community is concerned. This article is referring to EA COMPANY WIDE.

Don't worry. They did the samething with Diablo 3. Talked about how "bad" it looked etc and doing the samething with GW2. Yet that didn't stop floods of players from leaving.

This is an opinion! Not a fact! Look at me Ma'! I'm smart! I'm smart! I know the difference between an opinion and fact!

I agree with Forbes. EA and Bioware do whatever they want, when they want. When it backfires, they make tons of excuses and pretend the world is out to get them. Not because of their bad products but because "they are just so good and care about their fans". EA is the Fox News of the gaming industry.

Seriously, not logging on this game until the lag is fixed.

Guild Wars art looks awful? Is that why they win awards for their art? Is that why their art is featured on Conceptart.org (You probably never heard of it because you probably aren't even an artist) Do you know what conceptual art is? Do you even know what the word "concept" means? Have you played any games where the concept art looks exactly like whats in game? Have you seen that the Guild Wars 2 conceptal art transition to in-game is much better than the actual art? Are you even an artist? So many Mr. Know_It_Alls who are really ------ it's disturbing.