I agree specifically on these points. I LOVE a challenge. Even if it seems impossible for while, but when it is consistently impossible, I'm not okay with that. Some of the silver mobs are consistently impossible for many. Far too many, in fact. The result will invariably be that people begin to leave. Add this imbalance to the extreme lag issues and you have a recipe for destruction.

I've tried this as a shield tech then learned that it's nearly impossible solo for a tank, then tried it as a pyro. Still they all gang me. I've tried sending away Mako, running, and everything else I can think of. Nothing works. They all gang up on me. My gear is fine, in fact most of it is heirloom, the rest is covert ops gear that's been upgraded. Unless I can keep them from ganging me, I can't take the damage from all the strongs.

Agreed. Just wish that the people that this was directed too would actually see it.

For those reading near the end of this thread, this is what seems to be happening still. My disturbance works fine with 3/3 in telekinetic momentum and 1/1 into tremors, but telekinetic wave definitely does NOT proc a second 30% damage in any way.

I had no trouble with him. I did it at level 32 and just interrupted his heals. He never got enough cast opportunities to heal more than maybe once before he was beat. Not sure how much this helps but it's what I did. Start out with the shortest cooldown interrupt then use the next lowest and use the highest cooldown interrupt/stun last. By the time you get back around to needing another the first is off cooldown usually. This might be redundant information, but if not I hope it helps. Edit: One last note is that I've done it at 32 on both the Shadow and Sage. Though the mechanics of each class are extremely different in general, the interrupt/stun method works about the same.

Having read through most of the posts, and ignoring past all the useless name calling and childish idiocy, I find that there are many very decent points on both ends of the scale here. All I have to add in this case, is that it's good that the game is still so young and that they're working on addressing these issues. I hate sounding like a BioWare fan boy, but having played many MMO's in the past I'd say it's very likely, even if they don't acknowledge it immediately, that they're considering many of the things discussed herein. The point is, while the points brought up in this topic are definitely issues it's nice to know that they will probably change sooner than later. That doesn't mean in the next patch, or in a week or month. More likely, if you play the game over the next year you'll see that it's a very different and hopefully much smoother environment to your class. As far as friendlier, let's not dumb it down to the point of oblivion. That ruins games. Gunslinger is one of my favorite classes. I agree that they, being pure dps, should be a bit higher. I don't think they should be so high that they are unbalanced. I think that they should do enough dps to counter the fact that they can't heal or don't have many useful utility abilities. The argument seems to be that if they do the best DPS no one will want any other class. However, the counter argument was stated that currently they have no place now because they can't do anything else and aren't the best DPS. As far as classes are concerned, if you think about it in terms of an endurance race. You have a car that's a little slower with a larger gas tank versus a light car that's fast but little gas at all. The car with more gas knows that if he plays his cards right he's going to finish. However, the lighter car with less gas knows that he needs to be extremely fast to finish. Otherwise he runs out of gas and can't even coast into the finish line. In the end, if they're made well, both cars finish and do so at about the same time. The faster car runs out of (or is very low on) fuel and coasts to the finish. The heavier more fueled vehicle has the fuel to finish and ultimately catches the fast car. So who wins? I think this is where operator skill comes in. Knowing the track, the wind direction, and the cars themselves. If they're equal even though they are made differently they will still have an equal chance to win. If the better fueled vehicle goes just as fast as the lighter less fueled car, it's obvious that it has no chance unless the heavier machine has some kind of malfunction, either mechanical or otherwise. There's no need to throw in things like caltrops and oil slicks. The point is basic. Just enough extra dps to counter lack of hybridization. A lot of people might ask why in the world would you bring a fast car with low fuel to an endurance race. The point is that in SW: ToR, when a gunslinger goes up against a class with utility and/or hybrid abilities that's exactly what is happening. There was an argument that stated that pure classes were an idea that even Blizzard admitted was poor. I couldn't personally disagree more. I love pure classes. The only class in a game I ever enjoyed that was hybrid was a druid. If they make this game pure class lacking, then I think they'll have taken what is a large portion of the fun out of it. Sure it's hard to balance but that's the reason they get my monthly subscription fee. I'll trust that they will do the right thing until they prove otherwise.

I wonder why you said, "This game is a mess, have fun nerds" and yet you are still hanging around. I'll assume it's because your subscription hasn't run out yet. The game needs tweaking as does any new game. It's a HECK of a lot better than some other popular .. over simplified mmos out there though. Get this, we still have elites and champions outside of dungeons, and there are some fights you have to "think" a little during. I don't know how many agree with you, but that's fine if they do. Leave the game for folk who like it. This is the most fun I've gotten out of an MMO since a pre-wrath nerfed WoW.

Nice signature. If you stare at a wall of text, sometimes you can see Abe Lincoln or the Virgin Mary in it.

I concur with the aforestated intellectual data output. As you are only level 25, you could probably mess around a bit but having the basic build as shown you can't go wrong. On a plus note, it's not expensive to relearn talents the first few times.

If it wasn't copyright infringement I could get behind this. Lol. Disturbance actually looks like Air Bending as does a few other abilities. So you could rename the Tree Earth/Air bending or just Bending. Or come up with something different altogether and call it Avatarhood. Not very forcelike but .. hey Aang was cool.

Fonzarelli - Gunslinger Doc-trine - Scoundrel

Here we go again. The PvP whine has begun. They'll deal out PvP cheese soon and screw up the PvE dinner all to appease the appetite of the PvPers. DON'T screw up PvE for PvP. I don't care what you do for the class in PvP. Fix it all you want, JUST don't screw up PvE! Other games have done that and the results have been less than good.

I like the elite quest finishers personally. It seems like a nicely constructive post was already made to counter all my childish negativity so I'll just post this instead.

I don't care if they allow for single bladed equality as long as they don't change or gimp anything else. I'm quite pleased with the Shadow as it is.

You sure seem to know a lot. Would be nice if you'd actually share some of that knowledge instead of just trolling the whole time. You've shared nothing but a negative attitude so far. It's obvious that you're passionate about it, or you wouldn't spend all this time watching this post. So .. we're all listening. Share some of that useful strategy.