I'm in doubts, so please help... 1) Accuracy - for vigi, is it needed to be 100%? 2) Is matrix cube obsolete for pvp? Also - would you recommend it for pve? There are numerous opinions, so I don't know what to listen... Tx to all...

True. BUT - let's remember which classes DON'T have cleanse? Even sent have sort-of-cleanse. And we don't even have anti-snare (OK, except Zelous, but that is not Vigilance). Or the tank buff on guarded target dmg. Now, its not only Nefra. Its, as far as I hear, the Dread Council on HM. Dunno if Caliphus DOTs on HM are also cleanseable (not being there)... I mean, we can ENDURE many things, but when we go up in ops, it will be harder and harder. Dunno, but when you sit down, you calculate and you will see that a) we are almost completely exposed on all possible snare/cc/impairing effects and b) any DoTs are welcomed on us, since we cannot do squat **** with them except suck them up.

Maybe you sent them on mission? If you sent them on mission, your companions will not be on board.

^^^^^^ Guys, that's what I am telling you - it's the PERCEPTION. And for cleansing - I was rejected in at least 2-3 pugs for not being able to have cleanse.

It's not about the numbers, it's about perception. Guardians are low and useless DPS who need to be babysitted. Period. I was numerous times in various OPS where Gunslingers and Sents died like flies because of their own mistakes, PARSE showed that my Guardian was just behind best Sentinel - and still its "no go" for Guardians when it comes to HM DF/DP. Even on main chat it is constantly "LF DPS DP/DF HM, must know tactics and have 5 sec cleanse!" I even tell them there won't be problems with me on Corruptor Zero, cause I can leap on him even on 1st stack - no. BTW, I am full Underworld/Obroan, all augmented on Might, ACC 99,8%, CRIT 25%, SURG bout 73%, rest on might and power. Have bout 40.000 HP. So - its not gear. I rarely cause wipes. STILL - "You are Guardian!" If it was in RL, I would call it racism. Here it is "lack of DPS".

What we need is at least one CLENSE. I noticed that Guardians are not invited to many Opps - DF and DP HMs being named - because of severe DoTs in them. So now you have situation that if you want to DPS DF and DP as Vigilance, you have to be almost in full Obroan to maintain your DPS... So I will go to operation that drops higher instance gear to get the gear I have. Almost. (set bonus). And what's worse - even if you have that gear, you are STILL not invited because a) your DPS is low, b) you don't have cleanse on Nefra etc. So, what we need, IMHO: a) Guaranteed crits on DPS tree b) Better focus management c) 2 DoTs cleanse on activation of Focused Defense Only then Focused Defense have some meaning. Anywhere. In PVP or in PVE.

Mmm, nice. THANKS!

*** are some of peeps here talking about crit? Crit is comfy on 25% TOPS. After that it is mittigation. Surge is ~395 (cca 70-75%). Get Accu to 100%+ (mine is 101%, and i cannot recall EVER seeing "reflected", "dodged" etc). Rest is strength (preferably) and power. Now, biggest mistery for me are RELIC. I have that thingy for main stat +625, and i have MATRIX CUBE for strength. Now, I am pondering the best relic combination for Vigilance PVP. Any suggestions on that? Btw, I disagree that Vigilance is BAD as DPS. I run Parsec several times in PvE and PVP. BOTH always made 2000-2500+ average dmg (crits included). Which is FAIR. Not the pro-sentinel numbers, but good.

Any suggestions what 2nd relics to use? I still packing Cube (with the topic-problematic-relic). Also - need advice for PvE: what 2 relics to use? (Was offline for over a year, so - this is genuine ask for advice) Edit: Sry - AC is Guardian, DPS, Vigilance.

Agreed. Although - would you say the same (Guardian - bad DPS) for PvE? <Official QQ:> All this problem is because devs messed up Guardian from the beginning. We were,well, OP in wzs. Saber Throw with 3 stacks of armor + immobilizing Leap + Force Exhaustion for ticking Singularity ( cap was 5, but it was bugged and you could get it to 7) + Sunder Strike as left clicker for additional 2 stacks of armor + Zephyr (NOT Zephyrian slash) + all possible power aug+enhcs+mods + Sweep on 5 sec CD. PLUS no cap on CRIT curve. PLUS no cap on surge curve. Somebody starts to run? STASIS. AND every tick creates Singularity. Freaking Sweep bombs were called in that time. I remember jumping in 3 sorcs, 2 healers and 1 DPS, on Alderaan, performing that on 1 healer... It critter. From FULL BAR of energy, bout 15k, he was ONE SHOT and other 2 were killed in sec after by team. Ah... good days... <Official QQ off>

That was my thinking exactly. Once I studied surge and crit curve, realised that surge goes to ~400 for bout 70-75%. After that it's flat line, if I remember the curves correctly. And I remember reading somebody here who was posting numbers and scientifically proving that it is better for Sents to go POW and for Guards to go STR. BUT - nevertheless - I THANK YOU BOTH for suggestions.

Because of offing Pooled Hatred and Unyielding? They are good, but in my experience, never had much use of PH. And Unyielding - if you get stunned in PVP, it is because you are playing against GOOD team who focus, choose targets and coordinate, hence, you have excellent chances that you kiss the floor (THNX BW FOR LOUSY RESOLVE BAR!) So this tree looks very reasonable, I will definitely try it tonight. Thanks for the tree.

I am using this system: http://www.noxxic.com/swtor/pvp/jedi-knight/guardian/vigilance/stat-priority Have bout 100% Accu, 25% crit and cca 75% surge. All other augms are in might, to get +6%. Any suggestions about this (I'm asking because I am on Vig for about month and a half now, was offline for over a year and b4 I played focus)?

You are not. I am running Vigilance and am perfectly happy. We get squished only 1) when other team is obviously premade and use focus target, b) our team is very retarded. Usually I am in top 3-4 places (if not, I have bad day - as a person, in general, not in SWTOR), wherever we are - loose or gain.

If you reduce heal in PVP or throw it out all together, nobody would play healers anymore. How would you counter that? Never played WOW PvP, but I hear they have same problems there. True?