Its actually kind of amusing (sadly), this type of thread is in every class forum, maybe not powertech. Not denying the nerfs, just making an observation. Seems to me like the standard FOTM MMO rotation as they continue to balance the game, I'd say set aside your merc if you're not enjoying it and wait til they get buffed again. Thats what I've pretty much done with my operative.

Sadly it seems many just prefer the FOTM. I'm with you, which is the reason I'm still playing my operative as my main (not healing). Compared to other classes its really become meh compared to what it used to be, but I like the character I've created.

It would be great if we could gather up some test data with fraps video (or something) and capture all the things that will keep you in combat. Not only for our own knowledge, but perhaps if the devs see how much it hurts the class (like if having a HoT on you keeps you in combat) they might change it. This has actually happened to me, I just figured there was a probe around that dropped a scan. Another things that has been annoying me is I rebound my middle mouse click to use acid blade instead of crouch which is by default. I've clicked it (while hidden) and randomly it will still make me crouch and kick me out of stealth which is really inconvenient when i'm about to HS someone....

I recorded this video last night, post 1.2

Thought I would share this, just because it was so out of wack, and slightly depressing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lEzyPsExOc&feature=youtu.be

I'm new to BH and was planning on healing. I'm well aware of people who are bad complaining on the forums (read: concealment operatives). Please post some screens or videos of your gameplay.

You may have overspent while you are leveling. When I hit 50 on my main and alt I was already hovering around 1million credits, now because I PvP I have more credits than I know what to do with. PvP, Dailies, HM FP's, etc.. are all incentives to group, if you don't want to thats fine but don't complain. Its an MMO, its supposed to be a social gaming experience...

sigh.....

This...

.....not sure...if trolling..... Please tell me what utility operatives have over assassins? I rolled an assassin and I get knockback, speed boost, steath, stuns, if you tank you get a pull...I mean come on. What utility are you looking for that you dont have?

This. My last...12ish wz's I've been top 3 (if not #1) in damage, along with top kills and I don't have a single piece of BM gear, only a mix of champion and cent. IMO PvP isn't really the problem for operatives, the problem is for hard or nightmare operations, why choose an operative when other dps classes will perform better. Of course, I have a nice guild so I don't have to worry about that

Can I ask a question? Are you really having this issue with every sorc you encounter? Or did this happen one time and you came to the forums about it? The reason I ask is, I only have a few pieces of champion gear currently...and at most I'm critting people for ~3k. There are definitely people I feel like I can't put a dent in them but normally its not sorc/sages. You make it sound like you're completely useless in pvp, and I'm not having the same experience at all so I'm wondering if its the way you're playing your operative?

yeah...if you could enter an 8 man warzone as a guild then i think the current implementation is fine but since we can't, it would be nice considering most of the time the leader never does anything.

Luck of the draw, since hitting 50 i've opened probably 12-15 champ bags and haven't received any gear piece tokens. Not a huge deal now that they increased the amount of comms, but I get what you're saying about BM.

Oh, I love the drama created by one vague article. Go go internet. They also mentioned complete retooling of ALL skills for each class...

As a person who successfully kicked the altism habit prior to the ToR release, I must say it requires support from friends. For example, have your friend berate you any time you talk about another class other than the one you chose first. If you create an alt, have them make sarcastic remarks to you about hitting 50 on your other character. Also, stay away from forums as much as possible. One random phrase "xyz class is OP" may cause you to roll another alt. Hope this is helpful Currently I have two 50's and a level 11 I just started.

I don't know how much running around you do, but some of his heals I believe require him to be stationary. So if you're running and he's running he won't use certain heals.

I don't think this is as much of a problem with operatives as it is with the bracketing system. As soon as they mentioned the change, we knew that new 50's were going to be in trouble. Just the way the system works currently. Work towards getting your BM gear and all, I'm sure you'll have a better time.

Agreed, there are TONS of variables in warzones which is why i said they are bit of over-generalizations meaning they aren't black and white rules.

I use overload pretty much only to finish people off. I think it does nice damage, but I wouldn't put it in my regular rotation due to the energy cost. I honestly don't think it should be free however, that would be overpowered.

I'm not too surprised you destroyed a marauder in a duel. They basically start at 0 as far as damage goes, and operatives hit the ground running with the burst damage. Now I will say if you go 1v1 against a marauder that already has rage built up, then its very difficult to take them down because all their power attacks are available, and interrupts aren't very useful against them. In warzones, I still think the people who are doing the most complaining are playing the class wrong. Maybe not "wrong", but not playing it in a way that gets the best results. You may disagree but here is an over generalization of how I think operatives should be played. Things ops shouldn't be doing (imo) *Trying to take a tank from 100% hp to 0 *1v1ing against rage/focus classes that have been in combat recently *Trying to gank someone when you are clearly outnumbered (I've seen ops unstealth in a group of 4 enemies just to try and gank someone) Things ops should be doing *Annoying the crap out of healers so they focus on healing themselves *ganking anyone around 30% health or less *taking out stationary classes (snipers, commandos, etc..) *Pulling others out of stealth (corrosive dart when you detect others) There's more, but those are some major ones that stick out in my mind. Not to say we couldn't use some additional support abilities, but I think the people who stopped playing their operatives entirely are complete drama queens.

You should definitely be using corrosive dart for the chance to regrant TA. It seems to hit pretty often.

This is a really loaded question..... but, I personally haven't noticed much of a difference after the last nerf. I'm not 50 yet, so I don't know how drastically gameplay will change. I'm currently 46, and on Voidstar and Alderaan I generally have no issue being top 3 (if not #1) in kills and damage. I ignore hutball, because I actually attempt to help the team, so I don't focus on killing during that WZ. Additionally, to the people who are having issues in PvE as an operative, I really think they are just bad. Excluding maybe during Operations (which I haven't tried yet as an operative), I haven't run into ANY problem with regular PvE content, nor flashpoints. Honestly people just need to play what they want play, no class in this game (er...maybe juggs - and I don't even have a warrior) is really that much more terrible than any other class. People will literally get killed once in PvP and immediately rage and get on the forums to complain, like we care. /rant

I found it much more enjoyable during my IA playthrough (vs my SI) to just play my character based on the choices I want to make, as opposed to what will get me ls/ds points. With the SI its easy, just choose all evil options, but with these gray characters (smugglers, bh, IA) if you worry about ls/ds points I can see how you wouldn't enjoy it. I was pretty sure all the ls/ds points do is get you some superficial benefits right? You can still get the same quality gear, just not certain looks. Plus you can always grind points later if you really want them that badly.

People who think they are good at pvp really need to start recording their videos. I see a ton of "i'm not bad at pvp but..." then complain about things which anyone could get on the forums and post about. My operative destroys dps troopers pretty easily I will say, but you know what? I get destroyed by consulars and damage spec'd inquisitors....or if they are heal spec'd they out-heal my damage. Its give and take, operatives already received one pretty strong nerf. You can't request a nerf every time you get killed by someone. Maybe they just were better than you or popped relics at the right time. Theres way too many variables, and without a recording theres no substance to your claims. Also if your rotation goes something like this.... Grav round....grav round...grav round... you're probably doing it wrong.