Remember in school when they taught you comparisons? You should go back and re-learn. I just gave you a compare and contrast to BOTH two cars and two games to show analogously how they are the same, to describe a point. I am beginning to think you lack comprehension skills.

I didn't. I compared a new car that lacked features to an old car, but eventually incorporated. Then I said that while Wow came out 7-8 yrs ago and had flaws they worked them out, and the Tor defense team to say that they need time to get the same features is wrong. TOR should have all the features of modern MMO's because they DO NOT have to re-invent the wheel here. See? That's a comparison. That is what I said. Again the point of this post is why does this game have sharding at all? It doesn't need it, and it is a huge hit to PvP players.

Because its not an MMO? Seriously, I've posted a link explaining to you what MMO means. Then you said that definition pigeonholes them. Yes it does, because that is what they claim to have made, when in fact it is not. An your an *** for bringing up the comparisons and making them sound ridiculous. They were legitimate comparisons that you chose to ignore.

Yes it was false advertising. I will not change my opinion, just as you will not change yours. That million subscriber unit means nothing to me. Bioware just forced everyone to subscribe to continue playing the game, so that number comes from per-purchased games, and that is beside the point. You still are defending the indefensible. Your like Clinton saying "That depends on what the meaning of IS is."

Bioware pigeonholed themselves into this hole by calling the game a MMORGP. By that definition is should play like the aforementioned link. You pretending this is not the case does not change is to be so. They should have been clear, "This is an Online Co-Op RPG". Maybe one day they will get rid of the Shards/phasing, but until then PvP is non-existent.

I'm not ragequiting either, as a matter of fact I never once stated I was going to quit. Please tell me what your opinion is of an MMO. Here is what wiki has to say about it: 1 Bioware announced this game as an MMO, and so far it does not play like one. They should consider re-marketing

My "stupid" phrase was not to be taken literally. However, this is coming from someone who just writes, "what a drama queen." as a respond. You can see where I'm coming from. Since the SAME people keep posting about how they just LOVE this concept, I'll drop this thread and move on. I'll be back in 30-days to see if all those "cannot wait until these 30-day kiddies leave" are right, or if these complaints are still around.

I'm flustered by yours and others consistent retorts of idiocy that bring me that that point. Several of my post asked a basic point, and all i got in responds was "LOLZ your stupid." No I don't run the game, but I can ask the question, and I don't need you to sound like a fanboy shutting me up because you think my opinion is dumb. Shards and instances are MMO killers. If you're fine paying $60 plus $15 a month to play a single player experience with attached co-op then go ahead. But that is not what I, nor people who make these threads want. Speaking of which how do you know WE are the minority? I surely don't know that, so you cannot either. Stop being an elitist ***. MMO's should have hundreds of people playing them at one time.

How is this news? All those numbers are pre-orders becoming subscriptions, because you cannot finish your 30-day free play without it. So if you cancel now, it still counts against their total. Brilliant!

I will when I see the yellow text of a mod explaining this to me, instead of someone uninformed on inside information. Someone asked me earlier when I will be satisfied. When a mod answers. I don't expect it, but that is what I want.

If the don't majority want it, then why are there multiple thread on this issue? What are the forums for? I thought to express views and thought, but apparently the only forums that are accepted by you are ones where everyone is sucking biowares ****. Please, inform me, since you say I have my facts wrong, why cannot TOR host hundreds of people on a single server without sharding or phasing? Someone still has yet to answer that question.

Your going to keep avoiding the issue aren't you. I was comparing to like items, something you did not in your post to me "something like MMO to peaches or something." This game just came out and is should have everything or close to everything old MMO's have incorporated. I can see your just going to keep defending this issue regardless of logical thought. Please don't respond to me unless you have an actual responds to why every other MMO can host hundreds of player per server without shards or phasing and this cannot.

Please stop posting. I don't think you know how. I want bioware to be able to host hundreds of players at the same time without sharding or phasing. Is that clear enough of you? Do you lack reading comprehension to understand this? I hope I've explained myself clearly and slowly this time.

Again, I don't care if it is not the same code. That is a developer issue. What want is that code to be able to handle hundreds of people in a single server at the same time without sharding or phasing, or whatever you want to defend. Plus your car example is flawed. Try this: Company A) 2000: Car is invented but lacks windshield wipers. -> 2004 Manufacture creates windshield wipers. Company B) 2011: Creates NEW car, but lacks windshield wipers. -> Public ask why? Manufacture: We are new, we haven't had time to develop them yet. Give us time. Why? the windshield wiper was already invented, so I fully expect them to be here now. Also both cars can drive, and ALL MMO's should be able to host hundreds of players at a time.

The problem is your too blind by your own loyalty to a game with issues to see the problem. You should re-read the OP's thread to gain a better grasp as the issue at hand.

You make it sound like you understand logic, but you do not. Years to optimize their system, means that bioware had the same years to learn the same. I don't give a crap that WoW launched with x number of problems in 2004. What I care about is they SOLVED them, and bioware should know how to as well. I absolutely expect this game to launch with the same precision. When I played beta Rift into early game and then launch, I saw hundreds of people. A game should release with NEW tech, not old then claim it needs TIME to be as good as modern MMO's.

Or maybe only seeing 20-30 people in a game that is suppose to have hundreds in it, is a problem. Oh wait that is what we are talking about. Frankly, I do believe bioware is out to coffee while the thread fills up with this issue. I'll be satisfied when they officially announce something one way or the other. Look at this guy, he thinks he is playing an MMO, I think I'm playing an MMO. So where the hell is everyone? Again, stop shoveling that crude down my throat and telling me to like it. I want a respond from Bioware on this issue, not a sympathizer.

First off all, this thread is about leaving feedback, but biodrone's like you are telling us to be silent. Next what is your point about WoW being old? If it could handle it 8 yrs ago, then surely this game can do what an older system did then. Your just on the defensive. Also I never said you can dump unlimited people on a server, but when my wife logs into Wow at night and enters Stormwind, I can actually SEE a lot of people running around and guess what, no lag. This game is new, and it should utilize all the current tech that comes with it. If older systems can handle the request we have, that mean newer ones should too. And please don't taunt me with "go back to Wow." I want this game to succeed, not fail. Those of you trying to silence those that want a better gaming experience, are the ones that are going to be your undoing.

I think you just like to have quib answers in general. Wow servers can do this just fine, and I never experience lag. Maybe it's just your POS machine and you need to upgrade. All those claiming that uncapping and getting rid of the shards would cause network and server issues along with lag are just shoveling that BS down.

No, the mods are nazis here. >Inb4 post is deleted because I said Nazi.

If you don't know about Taris, you must be new here.

All the things that people want have already been implemented in other MMOs. Just because this one is new, doesn't mean they cannot start with them. Paying customers a side, we can demand better service. Also the game has been "out" for sometime, that is if you include all the time they had to fix minor bugs during the beta/early release and till now.

You CITE yours and I'll CITE mine.

I just wonder how many of those pre-order numbers went to them. I have yet to see anything of such, but I only just made it to the next planet on account of side by side leveling 3 characters.

I'm going to go on a limb and say only the newest patches that came out after the disc was mastered. I don't know how big that will be, but it should be better than getting 20gbs that I had to download.