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Thx for the response ahead of time. I just wanted to post video so people can really see what happened. Even tho bioware messed up this is still unacceptable by the players. this sort of stuff ruin's games.

THIS IS CAMPING BAN EVERYONE INVOLVED SEE VIDEO Punishing those that "exploited" aka Camped at enemy bases at spawn points is a good idea. They found an opening that Bioware failed to consider and used it, exploited, and grifed other player aka harassment By camping i mean killing someone at a spawn point were they can't do anything else in game and are stuck there ie .. (spawn, walk 1 foot, die, /repeat process ) they did it for valor points and the players being killed are unable to reach speeder point and go anywere else in game. i do not mean killing in any other way were the player being killed can do something else. i do understand pvp is killing others in game. they were asked to stop see video chat log CAMPING = GRIEFING = HARASSMENT RULES OF CONDUCT P.S. Pls Tell me if this not harassment and why pls? yes i re-posted this reply

THIS IS HARASSMENT SEE VIDEO I would Like a public response/post for everyone to read on this video. Customer Service Please Respond Is this considered a violation of the rules of conduct? Punishing those that "exploited" aka Camped at enemy bases at spawn points is a good idea. They found an opening that Bioware failed to consider and used it, exploited, and grifed other player aka harassment By camping i mean killing someone at a spawn point were they can't do anything else in game and are stuck there with no way of escaping other than using alt+f4 closing game and deciding to continue not to play (spawn, walk 1 foot, die, /repeat for valor points are unable to reach speeder point, go anywhere else in game ) i do not mean killing in any other way were the player being killed can do something else. i understand pvp is killing others in game They were asked to stop see video chat log They knew what they were doing and continued. CAMPING = GRIEFING = HARASSMENT RULES OF CONDUCT P.S. Pls Tell me if this not harassment and why pls? To keep the community fun for everyone, Pls strive to maintain a mature, constructive environment. Please make sure to keep these guidelines in mind when posting: Never insult another community member. Keep comments on-topic and constructive. Make sure your post contributes to the discussion. If you feel someone is violating the Rules of Conduct, do not reply to them; simply use the "flag" feature to report the post to our Community Team. Do not spam, make low content posts (like "in before the lock" or "first"), or bump threads without adding constructive comments. BIOWARE PLEASE Don't Close Thread I want to hear peoples opinions in a constructive way

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Punishing those that "exploited" aka Camped at enemy bases at spawn points is a good idea. They found an opening that Bioware failed to consider and used it, exploited, and grifed other player aka harassment by camping i mean killing someone at a spawn point were they can't do anything else in game and are stuck there (spawn, walk 1 foot, die, /repeat for valor points are unable to reach speeder point, go anywere else in game ) i do not mean killing in any other way were the player being killed can do something else. i understand pvp is killing others in game CAMPING = GRIEFING = HARASSMENT RULES OF CONDUCT

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It may have been a poor design and partially Bioware's mistake but it is also the players mistake's that did exploite or grief other players.I belive most of the blame is on the 'players' with no self control, than on BW for the mistakes of Illum. I do understand all the people going up in arms about this abuse. but It's like they've never played a MMO before. How is camping illegal? Does it violate the terms of use? In my personal opinion i belive it is becouse it is considered griefing. No, I did not partake in the Ilum abuse. I was spawn camped for 5 min on ilum then i alt+f4 the game and logged out for a hour or so because i could not play in a fair and fun environment. Regardless of what you think is "legal" or not in THEIR game, BW ultimately has the say in what they believe was "intended". My opinion is that Bioware should hand out bans to these people or at least suspend there accounts or take other appropriate action they deem necessary. Clearing all valor gains on Jan 18th of the people who abused the system if that is all the action they takes enough justice for me. Lastly, I do agree that Ilum is not very fun ATM, and if properly made and tuned may be a good concept and fun to play, but at the same time its horrible as it is now, I think Tol Barad and more-so Wintergrasp were incredibly stupid too. For all those that are quitting? I think it's kind of sad to see so many people quitting or threatening to do so over this subject. I have to ask whats up with the hate? First people demand an answer, actions to be taken and now that they finally getting detailed answers, game developers just like any business or society takes time to sort things out and take appropriate actions. You guys keep giving negative criticism. Also keep in mind that BW did give a pretty early answer but not detailed, take a hint why? They did not expect this, giving a detailed answer requires work and gather data, it takes time. They have to bring up all possible solutions then pick the most likely one that makes sense and work even if it might not be the one everyone wants, which is a process that takes time. I have played almost every MMO out there. Bioware has done a great job with the story line and development of this game. if you compare it to other games on release dates SWTOR has fewer bugs, more stability and a lot more content released than any other game i have seen. Meanwhile, let's cut the developers some slack - I lived through WoW from launch, and it was a much bumpier ride than this has been. Lets just pls have some faith in bioware and the game developers If you don't like bioware or the game, If you intentionally intend to exploit or grief, Please i ask that you just unsubscribe and go back to WOW or another MMO. I am staying in i love all the other aspects of the game (story line) and will just stay away from pvp till i consider it fun.

It may have been a poor design and partially Bioware's mistake but it is also the players mistake's that did exploite or grief other players.I belive most of the blame is on the 'players' with no self control, than on BW for the mistakes of Illum. I do understand all the people going up in arms about this abuse. but It's like they've never played a MMO before. How is camping illegal? Does it violate the terms of use? In my personal opinion i belive it is becouse it is considered griefing. No, I did not partake in the Ilum abuse. I was spawn camped for 5 min on ilum then i alt+f4 the game and logged out for a hour or so because i could not play in a fair and fun environment. Regardless of what you think is "legal" or not in THEIR game, BW ultimately has the say in what they believe was "intended". My opinion is that Bioware should hand out bans to these people or at least suspend there accounts or take other appropriate action they deem necessary. Clearing all valor gains on Jan 18th of the people who abused the system if that is all the action they takes enough justice for me. Lastly, I do agree that Ilum is not very fun ATM, and if properly made and tuned may be a good concept and fun to play, but at the same time its horrible as it is now, I think Tol Barad and more-so Wintergrasp were incredibly stupid too. For all those that are quitting? I think it's kind of sad to see so many people quitting or threatening to do so over this subject. I have to ask whats up with the hate? First people demand an answer, actions to be taken and now that they finally getting detailed answers, game developers just like any business or society takes time to sort things out and take appropriate actions. You guys keep giving negative criticism. Also keep in mind that BW did give a pretty early answer but not detailed, take a hint why? They did not expect this, giving a detailed answer requires work and gather data, it takes time. They have to bring up all possible solutions then pick the most likely one that makes sense and work even if it might not be the one everyone wants, which is a process that takes time. I have played almost every MMO out there. Bioware has done a great job with the story line and development of this game. if you compare it to other games on release dates SWTOR has fewer bugs, more stability and a lot more content released than any other game i have seen. Meanwhile, let's cut the developers some slack - I lived through WoW from launch, and it was a much bumpier ride than this has been. Lets just pls have some faith in bioware and the game developers If you don't like bioware or the game, If you intentionally intend to exploit or grief, Please i ask that you just unsubscribe and go back to WOW or another MMO. I am staying in i love all the other aspects of the game (story line) and will just stay away from pvp till i consider it fun. P.S. Bioware PLS HIRE A COUPLE REAL LIFE FASHION DESIGNERS FOR THE GAME SOMETHING NEED TO BE DONE WITH THE ARMOR JEDI ARMOR LOOKS LIKE I WEARING A DIRTY OLD CLOTH COPIED FROM RULES OF CONDUCT SEE HIGHLIGHTED SECTIONS Harassment Policy Our goal is to build a strong community that offers a comfortable atmosphere for all of our players. This means seeing that players have the ability to combat antisocial behavior Harassment consists of misuse and/or abuse of game mechanics and verbal harassment with the intention of distressing and offending other players. Game mechanics allow players to interact with the world and each other. For example, the ability to block a doorway is a game mechanic. Use of game mechanics like these is by no means considered harassment in and of itself. The key to determining whether the mechanic is being misused or abused is to determine "intent." Reported incidents are not considered harassment until it is determined by the SWTOR CS that it was done to intentionally to cause distress or to offend other players. Harassment is also any behavior that is incessant, inescapable, derogatory and directed specifically at you or your group. Before reporting, a genuine attempt to alleviate the situation should be made by leaving the area or the offending player, or asking them politely to stop. If a sincere attempt has been made to solve the problem and the offending player persists in the behavior, it should be reported. Behavior that is always considered harassment includes derogatory and/or hateful comments that are sexual, racist, religious, or related to gender or creed. A judgment of valid harassment can result in penalties placed on the harassing party up to and including immediate account closure, based on the severity of harassment and the player's past account history. Player versus Player (“PvP”) activities, where available, are not exempt from this policy.