If you leave town, when you might access SWTOR the entire weekend... you sir.. do not deserve SWTOR! j/k

Veteran! o/

Personaly i disslike wow because of the fundamental changes they made to the game. In the beginning, there was like 90% casual and 10% elite players. The PvP, PvE and all that was designed so that a handfull of people could achieve incredible feats. Like winning a 1 v 5 pvp scenario, rare but it happened. There was so much to explore back then, simply because so few could actually enter and take down bosses and instances. During the years they started to add in mmo "wheelchairs" so that people could catch up. Suddenly 100% of the players where elite. Not only by gear and beeing able to down whatever they want, they also picked up the attitude. I have 200-300 people i played with during vanilla, and i cant stand beeing around them ingame nowadays sience all seem to have picked up the "elitist jerk" attitude with the gear. "Hey guys! wanna come play with us in this instance, nice to get to know you" became... inspect/fu.. They even "rigged" pvp, back in the days, a skilled player would down a bad player within seconds, if two good players faced eachother the fight was as long as it is today. Back then it was more split second desicions that added action to the gameplay that made it exiting, suddenly they pured porage into the game thru resilience mechanics and what not. Some people, like me, spent ALOT of time investing in learning and gearing ect and suddenly, fresh people could achieve the same with no effort at all. This, was my PERSONAL reason to dissliking wow. Im glad i wasnt playing when the Panda expansion trailer was out. Cause i would probably go into a catatonic depression. What where they smoking when they designed the "Kung fu Panda/china please start paying us 15dollars a month" expansion? =/ And finaly... Due to the PvP gear req they locked people out. Back in the days, gear was gear. You could PvP with it, and PvE. Youre not raiding tonight, its full... oh no problem! I will go PvP instead, cause its fun! Nowadays tho, you cant just decide to go PvPing, due to PvP gear you have to commit just as much time as in getting your PvE gear. In other words, if you cant join the raid tonight, drama begins cause there is NOTHING to do, fights, people leave guilds, drama and so on. So if you focus on one of these things (PvE/PvP), you cant do the other properly ect...

Amen to that!

One thing that bothers me, is the animations with lightsaber combat. You smack things around with it, and theres like a few sparks tops. Basicly, animationwize its like youre bashing someone with a toy lightsaber. I understand that to reach as much costumers as possible you have to let kids play aswell, thus exclude blood and such. But still... id rather have it that every attack that does damage gets a "block" animation. The final blow however either chops of a limb, cleave a droid or a subtle "saber thru char/robe". Running around bashing things with a "toy saber" might get old. =)

Haha what a exelent way to deal with it, the thought havent crossed me at all! Thanks! =D A drunk washed up stormtrooper that took a arrow to the knee lying and exadgerating in a bar somewhere on Tatooine! =D I swear they should have that in the ending of Force Unleashed 2, he finnishes the story, burps and get thrown out by a bouncer!

If its approved, then all is well. If its the same approval as Star Wars, force unleashed... Then the approval isnt worth much imo. =/ For those that havent played it, its an action game with Darth Vaders secret apprentice that is so powerfull he can crush stardestroyers with his force, jump into planetarian orbit and land on his feet ect. Even tho he seems more powerfull than ALL the other Jedis combined, was Vaders apprentice, he is "unknown" and not mentioned anywere else. =)

No **** Sherlock... Im rather discussing things that seem like im not the only one that have assumed when i pre ordered. Quick glance at the few thousand posts these last days shows that there are many that feel like i do.

Well said!

Cmon... you had to see the irony in it! ^^ New mmo... Bearhunter...

Again, the problem isnt just the "up to 5 days" ect. I assumed that "up to" was reserved for server faults and such, incase they cant up the servers on time and such. Even if i read it, i would assume that one millionish preorder clients would gain access in turn, for servers that are built for 20 million players, i assumed it would be HOURS between first and last player. Not "waves" during few hours work time in the US ect.

Yeah that pretty much covers it, i shop ALOT and like i said, i wouldnt have the time even if i wanted. Try spending 1000ish euro a week thru one maybe two hours of time and do 90% of the household and leisure shopping with a full time job and two companies to run. (dont bother shopping during recreational time/evenings).

False marketing laws, are not made for people who cant read. Its made for people who dont have the time to go in depth with regular day shoping, perhapes they have better things to do. Imagine if you had to go to the store and buy everyday products, but sience false marketing laws where off and companies could do anything they wanted as long as it was in the fine print. Would take a full day to buy regular day to day merchendise cause you had to read all the fineprint and EUELA ect. Fresh tasty milk! The box says, in fine print it says they have bull semen in it, or you go buy a regular book, fine print says... by purchasing this book the author may sleep with your wife ect. When i shop, and many others we want the product to deliver the basics in 2-3 lines to speed up the process of shopping, mixed with basic laws that makes sure you cant mislead with those few lines.

VIP line or not, is another discussion. To simplify it, fine its a regular line. Use this release as a cause to drag a company to court? No, wasnt part of the point i was making and i absolutely agree that there is no base to make this a legal issue. To simplify, i accept the terms of the Early access, its in print. I understand people, that feel misled, i dont think they are "idiots" ect. Personaly, i dont like how the release was handled. =)

Another detail, sience we are on the subject. People get access depending on when they preordered. Fine, there are servers ready to hold as many people and more that will start playing on release date. So if we are say 1 million players that pre ordered, and we are in que to join servers made to hold what, 5-10 million players? Did everyone expect it to take three/four days until its your turn? I figured it might be a few hours between the first and last costumer. Did you guys know then that it would be done in waves, and people would sit in the "thinker" position infront of monitors, yawning... going to bed and stop inviting... come back and send a few more... all the way to release date? Vague info so you wouldnt know when its your turn and so forth? Imagine real life, you que to a new opened store. Huge electronics store and you stand in line on the opening day, when the doors open the first ten costumers out of a thousand get in... the store can hold everyone but no... the manager says sorry, we have to monitor these costumers ten at the time. The rest stand outside for several hours, store manager comes out... sorry... we are closed for today. Wait in line... the second day... same thing happen. In real life, there would have been a god damn riot! =)