Imagine, then, how much better it COULD have been....... http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=4957153&postcount=729

Alot was promised.. over time, since Beta....... Here: http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=4957153&postcount=729 You really expect EAWare to keep any 'promises' ?

REAL answers here: http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=4957153&postcount=729

I could have, and I don't even know code....... similar to my suspicions about our DEV team here ......

Biggest what ...???

Well, my thread got closed, and I was redirected here......... It DIDN'T have to go F2P... did it ....... At the onset of this game, it was a known it was going to be a monthly sub. Early conjecture allowed us to believe it was going to be competitive with WoW's sub, so, most of us in Beta figured $15.00/month..... So, anyone who shelled out $60 or more for the game, and is now whining for F2P, well, just go get lost, for lack of more terse directions...... The game didn't need to go F2P, at any time, until Bioware sold out to EA...... If the game had developers who knew MMO's, we'd not be here. The LEAD guy obviously has no clue, and can't even make his own forum posts. If the game had delivered the features that were ripped out during Beta, had the game not been rushed out prematurely for the money grab, we'd not be here. Had ranked warzones been delivered on time, we'd not be here. Had PVP balance been more tweaked from the onset, instead of massive imbalances brought about by their 'internal testing' (I wonder what body area this 'internal testing' occurred ) and Beta testers that no one listened to. And, I'll wager their 'Internal Testing' happens on their local LAN connection, rather than from an outside connection.......to simulate ... well, outside connections, where the PAYING players would connect from? Anyone wanna guess how many bugs do NOT get caught due to testing over a LAN connection to the server? Had the Customer Service been at least adequate, we'd not be here. Had the designer of the latest fashions been fired on the spot, and his craptastic armor designs scrapped immediately, we'd not be here. Had the dev team worked on fixing bugs in end game content sooner, we'd not be here. Master loot bugs, Soa's floor pieces missing, I can go on....... Had augments not made crafting obsolete, we'd not be here. Had the LFG tool been available MUCH earlier, if not at launch, not been riddled with bugs, especially with finding replacement players, we'd not be here. Had the graphics been optimized initially, instead of still being sub par, we'd not be here. Who launches a game with no AA? I can't even whisper a guild member from my guild tab.... I mean... REALLY? I have to type out a guildies name, or keep ALL guildies on my friends list ...??? REALLY ???? No, we're here because for no other reason, other than complete and total FAIL at MMO comprehension and production. This game has/had so much potential, it makes me sick. I will tell you one thing: I will not touch a game produced by BW, EA, or any former lead from this dev team, regardless of what company they're working for next year. The current lead hasn't touched code since 16 bit ......I'm sure the role of salesman is satisfactory.........this includes those who are bailing before F2P in order to appear 'clean' of this fiasco......... I'm at this time still paying my sub, as I'm GM of a fairly progressive guild. I will watch and wait, and see... But all of this crappola was unnecessary. Calling it an MMO now is insulting to the Genre. The doctors should hang their head in shame, and BW/EA should NEVER be entrusted with another valuable IP ever again. 'Well, F2P is becoming the industry standard......' Heh... WoW was the big boy on the block. Other players in the field wanted a piece of the action. Games were made, but didn't compare.... the F2P model was pursued more rigorously, in order to attempt another piece of the pie.... . Free appeals to people, no doubt about it. So, what we end up with, is WoW as P2P, mostly the rest using F2P in order to get YOU wanting that new fluffy pair of pink bedroom slippers that you'll wear while standing around town. So, now we have 'industry experts' decrying how F2P is the future of gaming .. having the gall to mention Social Media Apps in the same sentence....... WoW vs. Swtor vs. Farmville? REALLY ...??? It's the CURRENT trend, as long as the industry attempts to rip whatever they can from WoW, rather than create their own unique game. And they try to do so at any cost......... In a year, maybe two, the saturation of F2P crap games will allow a new window for P2P.......where a company, and their DEV team, set out to make something full featured, optimized, unique, and where the DEV team actually is in charge, rather than SIM playing CEO's who have no real clue about the gaming industry........and MMO's in particular........

At the onset of this game, it was a known it was going to be a monthly sub. Early conjecture allowed us to believe it was going to be competitive with WoW's sub, so, most of us in Beta figured $15.00/month..... So, anyone who shelled out $60 or more for the game, and is now whining for F2P, well, just go get lost, for lack of more terse directions...... The game didn't need to go F2P, at any time, until Bioware sold out to EA...... If the game had developers who knew MMO's, we'd not be here. The LEAD guy obviously has no clue, and can't even make his own forum posts. If the game had delivered the features that were ripped out during Beta, had the game not been rushed out prematurely for the money grab, we'd not be here. Had ranked warzones been delivered on time, we'd not be here. Had PVP balance been more tweaked from the onset, instead of massive imbalances brought about by their 'internal testing' (I wonder what body area this 'internal testing' occurred ) and Beta testers that no one listened to. And, I'll wager their 'Internal Testing' happens on their local LAN connection, rather than from an outside connection.......to simulate ... well, outside connections, where the PAYING players would connect from? Anyone wanna guess how many bugs do NOT get caught due to testing over a LAN connection to the server? Had the Customer Service been at least adequate, we'd not be here. Had the designer of the latest fashions been fired on the spot, and his craptastic armor designs scrapped immediately, we'd not be here. Had the dev team worked on fixing bugs in end game content sooner, we'd not be here. Master loot bugs, Soa's floor pieces missing, I can go on....... Had augments not made crafting obsolete, we'd not be here. Had the LFG tool been available MUCH earlier, if not at launch, not been riddled with bugs, especially with finding replacement players, we'd not be here. Had the graphics been optimized initially, instead of still being sub par, we'd not be here. Who launches a game with no AA? I can't even whisper a guild member from my guild tab.... I mean... REALLY? I have to type out a guildies name, or keep ALL guildies on my friends list ...??? REALLY ???? No, we're here because for no other reason, other than complete and total FAIL at MMO comprehension and production. This game has/had so much potential, it makes me sick. I will tell you one thing: I will not touch a game produced by BW, EA, or any former lead from this dev team, regardless of what company they're working for next year. The current lead hasn't touched code since 16 bit ......I'm sure the role of salesman is satisfactory.........this includes those who are bailing before F2P in order to appear 'clean' of this fiasco......... I'm at this time still paying my sub, as I'm GM of a fairly progressive guild. I will watch and wait, and see... But all of this crappola was unnecessary. Calling it an MMO now is insulting to the Genre. The doctors should hang their head in shame, and BW/EA should NEVER be entrusted with another valuable IP ever again. 'Well, F2P is becoming the industry standard......' Heh... WoW was the big boy on the block. Other players in the field wanted a piece of the action. Games were made, but didn't compare.... the F2P model was pursued more rigorously, in order to attempt another piece of the pie.... . Free appeals to people, no doubt about it. So, what we end up with, is WoW as P2P, mostly the rest using F2P in order to get YOU wanting that new fluffy pair of pink bedroom slippers that you'll wear while standing around town. So, now we have 'industry experts' decrying how F2P is the future of gaming .. having the gall to mention Social Media Apps in the same sentence....... WoW vs. Swtor vs. Farmville? REALLY ...??? It's the CURRENT trend, as long as the industry attempts to rip whatever they can from WoW, rather than create their own unique game. And they try to do so at any cost......... In a year, maybe two, the saturation of F2P crap games will allow a new window for P2P.......where a company, and their DEV team, set out to make something full featured, optimized, unique, and where the DEV team actually is in charge, rather than SIM playing CEO's who have no real clue about the gaming industry........and MMO's in particular........

Glad you can make out something.... all I can grasp is dumbspeak .....

Oy.. just no hope is there.....I would tackle your incorrect observation myself, except, you've already done that yourself......

Sorry girly.... YOU guys started this... BW + EA .. not the fan base...... Way to FURTHER divide the player base rather than everyone singing *** Bai Yaa <sp>

I keep running into you.... based on what they say NOW, you are , well, kind of correct.......you are missing a GREAT BIG point tho...... I really wish you'd catch on........

Here's why: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=514291 Nuff said ......

It will most likely be re-colored versions of our current end game content...my Guardian doesn't look like a Jedi, he looks like Bug Man ......

I truly believe no one hates the game itself, rather what potential it has/had, and how it's fallen WAY short ..... http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=514291

I do not trust BW/EA to keep this real.. no way, no how ..... http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=514291

Sorry guys, I simply do NOT trust BW/EA to keep this centered.........no way, no how ......

I WISH I could get away with what I'd really LOVE to say to you........ All I can say, is, when you get a clue, I'll let you know..... It's obvious you've never been in a REAL raid in this game, tho you're comeback will certainly say you have......

For your edumacation .......People complain because they Love Star Wars, want the game to remain a premium MMO, to be successful, and become what was promised by DEV's at the onset. So far: Premium MMO: Fail Successful: Fail As Originally Touted: Fail F2P: Fail

Really? Pot, over there, in the corner, is Kettle ..... WHERE in the galaxy have YOU been? LoL REALLY? They SAID tons of stuff that hasn't come to pass....how's the view down there in the sand .....???

At .50 cents a day, the word 'Cost' simply doesn't belong ......you can find that on the ground at just about any gas station today ....

My guild, and several other higher end raid guilds on my server endlessly complain about lag spikes in Operations, and to a lesser extent, in Flashpoints...... I have one toon on my old server, and that server's populace, though very small, also experience these lag spikes..........and no response here? Oh well.......

Shhhhhhhhhuusssshhhhh you !!!

OMG where to start .....I like how, with a wave of your arm, 'guilds don't work the way they should.......' You're unsubbing because a raid guild wants a website presence from you? For Raid sign ups? Presently, there is NOT one in game, so, what else is there? You really expect BW to toss one in just for you with tomorrow's maintenance? YOU are the kind of person most guilds DON'T want anyways. Forget that the guild website also has forums, for discussing, I dunno, BOSS Strats maybe? Links to strat videos? Links, yes, links to utility sites like Datacron guides, etc......Links to loot lists, as in What Drops Where' ..... Forget the screenshots of a new boss down, and spots to comment on it, from your fellow guildies. Forget the condensed list of Crafters, as in WHO can make WHAT ..... Are you for REAL? Security risk? Like a guild website should have only your most private passwords, rather than your dog's name? This is a meme post from a loner.........with a personality disorder ...

Sorry, but, you're doing it all wrong then ... perhaps do what those in your guild are doing?

Since server transfers, in which my guild moved TO a server, Operations lag has been occasionally bad, to horrendous. On our old server, we never experienced this lag. We're all grateful being on a busy server, trust me.. the game has re-invented itself for the bulk of us......However...... Ops lag needs to be addressed. Now. Whether it's EV SM, HM, KP SM or HM, Denova, huge lag spikes are experienced by ALL 8 members of the Op, at the same time. This complaint isn't new, anymore, and has been brought up plenty of time to warrant serious attention to this issue. Try offloading the Ops to some of these recently decommissioned servers ? /shrug..... Just get it done please.....