Propane
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LOTRO, STO, DCUO.
Go compare the "restrictions" those games have to the ones swtor have. All of those combined have the amount of restrictions 1/4 of swtor.
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What did that teach us? Most of the posts on this forum are too biased.
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Since we are posting web based comments as proof, lets look at opinions out of the swtor forum:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/10/30/bioware-force-tweaks-swtors-f2p-restrictions/
"Nope they still have no understanding of what makes a good F2P game."
"What BioWare seems to willingly ignore is that there are F2P MMOs out there that are very popular and quite good, so very few people will want to play a crappier version of this already mediocre MMO instead."
"If you make the free version ****, they’re not going to convert, it’s not like it’s Scientology."
http://www.gamefront.com/swtors-free-to-play-pros-cons-and-wtfs/
"I tried to go back to the game when it went f2p but after all of 10mins i quit again"
"current implementation feels like a slap in the face to anyone who had subscribed at some point in time."
"EA and most companies seem to think people are stupid or can blind side them"
http://biobreak.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/poll-where-do-you-stand-on-swtors-f2p-switch/
"Game offered nothing new, had WAY too many old design flaws."
"Preferred Status is a joke! There are restrictions everywhere! I cant even hide my helm unless i pay 350CC. I wont be playing, not unless Bioware rethinks there strategy. This is the WORSE F2P model i have seen yet!"
"model they are using punishes players"
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.394022-Swtor-breaks-the-deadly-sins-of-Free2Play
"I've ever seen such blatant money-grubbing in all the games I've tried. 720 Cartel Coins (read: over five bucks) just for colour synchronization and helmet removal for my playable characters? Repeat that for my AI companions? And goodbye side toolbars? *********** hell! I don't even know if I want to play this any more!"
"PvP and raiding also locked behind the paywall?"
"it's just EA trying to loot every last bit of money before Tortanic finally sinks to the bottom of the dead WOW clone sea."
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$80 million.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/star-wars-the-old-republic-has-cost-ea-80-million-analyst-6312400
The majority of the budget goes to paying employees. At their peak they had almost 700. That's a lot of paychecks over a 5 year development cycle.
" Wedbush's Michael Pachter believes"
And come on the gamespot website? That is the last place you want to look.
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Why should free players get everything that sub players get? I don't understand your point here, you want EA to just give the game away?
The point is, why is SWTOR so special in this "Free to Play" model? Why don't all the Pay to Win MMOs that went free use this exact same model? The answer is because EA wants to squeeze every last bit of money they can out of you.
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SWTOR isn't alone in that type of model either, there's quite a few of them that do that.
Name one in the next min without using Google for once.
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While I agree playing this game for free as an MMO is an exercise in sadomasochism what makes this game different is the cinematic story questing - which they do actually give you entirely for free. So if you want to play what makes TOR different from other MMOs, you actually get all that for free. It's just the MMO features they make you pay for.
The story quests in SWTOR cannot keep a player going, it boils down to the decisions you make only changing 1-2 lines of text. If people wanted to play a single player story line, they can go play KOTOR. But people came here to play a Bioware Star Wars MMO. But with the free to play restrictions - they are down to having to demo the MMO parts of the game, as in PVP, Raids, Flashpoints, High level gear, ect.
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There you go making up numbers again.
They keep getting more and more ridiculous.And here you go again trying to deny the truth. The game is thought to cost a 500-600 million budget. Tell me where that all went to, seeing how maintaining a servers cost only around 300k every 2 years.
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Kids, go play a game you have fun playing. I know you're too young to understand that people enjoy different things from you and your opinion isn't shared by other people, but maybe in another 10 years or so you'll figure that out and this will all make more sense.
Maybe when your parents aren't paying for your subscription, this will make more sense.
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If you're defining paying a subscription to play a game as pay to win, the only thing I can say is: welcome to MMOs. Because it's been that way for a looooong time.
Go look at other Pay to Plays that went free: they don't have the amount of demo restrictions SWTOR have. What makes SWTOR so special? The fact that they poured 600 million dollars into a game that most went into advertising? Those CGI trailers that were more entertaining than the actual game?
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Page 42 of people trying to defend EA! Shows the dedication of how much people love the feeling of EAware's hand in their wallet.
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Because that argument is based on a false premise. Pay to Win doesn't exist in the game. Might as well say we're paying to avoid giant blue rabbit restrictions.
Those "blue rabbit" restrictions in swtor are gameplay changing. Payments should only be used to broaden the gaming experience without affecting the gameplay itself. Free players experience a TOTALLY different version of swtor. The demo version that "allows" them to get to 50 if they can stand through the restrictions.
So the only way to try and get out of that argument was "YOU'RE WRONG AND I'M RIGHT! LETS JUST SAY IT DOESN'T EXIST SO I'M RIGHT"
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Well save for the rather minor part about that game where you can actually convert cash directly into the in game currency.
But I'm sure you knew that already
Yes you can, but did you mention the price it takes? If you want to pay 600$ just to get a few gold , thats fine because not everyone has 600$ they can pay on hand.
WHILE IN SWTOR'S CASE, tons of people have 15 bucks on hand. So tons of people can afford to be better than those who play for free.
But I'm sure you already knew that.
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I like SWTOR's F2P model because it encourages players to support the game, thereby benefiting us all.
It doesn't encourage them, it forces them to pay if they actually want to experience the actual game.
You don't really have to worry about the F2Pers because you are subbed. Don't speak on their behalf.
Now if they could post on the swtor website, this forum would have a complete different feeling. Everyone here is subbed and they don't really care what free players do.
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Gw2 on the other hand actually does have real pay to win elements https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/wuv/wuv/Pay-to-win-Tower-captures
Welcome to the world of reading, he was posting about paying with ingame coins. Why don't we go back to why you are still stumped on our last argument why all your arguments boil down to "Just pay to avoid Pay to Win restrictions"
You can google anything is pay to win sir, doesn't make you seem any smarter.
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We can't, because it's not. OOPS.
Now lets go back to how I stumped you because all your argument boils down to is "Pay to avoid the pay to win restrictions Free players have on them"
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I play a number of MMO's, often to see what's new out there. GW2 was quickly very boring as there was nothing to it that wasn't already done better elsewhere. Talk about WoW rip off...
But that's beside the point. You are entitled to your opinions regardless of how wrong I view them or how strongly I disagree.
You obviously haven't played much MMO's if you are calling GW2 a WoW rip off. You probably haven't played WoW if you aren't calling SWTOR a WoW rip off.
Now keep GW2 off of here.
SWTOR's F2P model is horrible and everyone here defending EAware's practices should feel bad.
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Free players: "Cannot equip Purple Level Items unless on Cartel Market."
As pay to win as it can get.
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GW2 is boring. I paid the $60 at launch, I don't think I've logged in for about 4 months. Like GW2 better? Great, that's your game. People have different opinions on what they enjoy, and that's fine.
In the end, whether you play Gw2 or SWTOR, you're going to pay money. You pay your $60 up front for Guild Wars and hope it's worth it, and there are many things which you will require to pay extra money for if you want them. And in the end, it comes down to what you gives you more enjoyment. I'd rather play a game that I actually have fun in, hopefully you all do too, rather than troll the forums of the game you don't enjoy, because that's just juvenile.
Now then, keep GW2 off of this forum, because all of the SWTOR fanboys are going to sit here and type up lies.
Now lets talk about SWTOR is pay to win.
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Your "couple of hundred people" per server is so wrong it isn't even funny, but that isn't the worst of your "arguments".
I don't agree with any of your assertions on GW2. They are your opinion, mine is that GW2 is a juvenile MMO offering that caters to people with short attention spans and basic game skills.
I wanted to keep GW2 off of this fourm but really - I doubt you've played it. Swtor only averages about 1k players per server. Which isn't that much.
"juvenile MMO offering that caters to people with short attention spans and basic game skills." - sounds like you are explaining swtor. Press one and watch your skill bar. Short attention spans - that would defiantly be swtor: explosions and deep grumble voices. "Basic gaming skills" It takes little skill but 200x it takes to play swtor. And why lie about playing GW2? Just to make SWTOR seem any bit higher than the half-assed WoW ripoff gameplay it already is?
Differance between the game is that GW2 took risks and made the game amazing. Giving players free content every two weeks that EAware here would probably make us pay 20$ for. SWTOR here took WoW mechanical with fancy animations and tied mobs into groups of three, making it seem like you were an action hero for those who have short attention spans.
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See, this is how you troll. Especially the "4 servers with a couple hundred people" part. You aren't trolling if you don't make up stupid and obviously false statistics...and calling GW2 better...priceless trolling there.
GW2 is obviously better - it shouldn't even be compared to SWTOR. Now lets get back on topic.
Remember when swtor had over 100 servers at launch? Doubt you do. Yeah we all left out of disappointment.
Remember when EAware promised us MAC versions at launch?Same Sex? Guild Ships? Still hasn't happened.
They gotta work on gettin that Ewok and another reskinned human race on the Cartel Coin to squeeze more money out of idiots than rather improving the bland half-assed gameplay.
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Then why even bother unless you are simply trolling for trolling's sake.
Of course I am not, stop assuming.
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Ah, so you are going F2P and don't like the restrictions and only now do you feel the need to try to champion the leeches in order to possibly skim some cream off the top for yourself. You are still arguing for a self serving interest that is not in the best interest of the player base as a whole.
Congrats, your purchase and subscription helped keep the game afloat. If you have decided to stop supporting the game, why do you feel you are owed something for no longer supporting it? Your purchase and subsequent subscription got you exactly what you paid for and should have expected. To now expect more for less is nothing short of the very definition of entitlement.
I don't plan on playing this game free, and no one should.
You are assuming too much of what I am saying.
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It's not Pay to Win. It is Pay to play the game as intended. F2P was an afterthought and in order to continue to earn money restrictions had to be put into place to encourage some actual spending by players regardless of whether or not they were F2P.
So F2P is actually Free to play some of the game but if you want the full experience you'll have to pay.
Of course, neither of those has the ADHD quality of F2P or P2W even if they are better descriptors of the realities of this (and other) online games.
You seem to think that the original game model is gone and that the "new" F2P model is now the standard. In truth, this game is a subscription MMO that offers a F2P version. So it is not a F2P game. It never was. It simply has a F2P version that has some pretty strict restrictions. As it should, since the F2P aren't doing anything to support the game and the company if they aren't spending money.
It was Pay to Play, but now it isn't and it shouldn't be used as a handicap to make an excuse that the F2P model is so atrocious. Tons of other Pay to Play MMO's haven't used their previous model as a handicap to make a bad F2P model, what makes SWTOR so special?
They keep getting more and more ridiculous.
Pay to Win
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Posted · Edited by Propane
Here is HIS essay summarized: Pay to avoid not being able to play the game fully. If you haven't paid, you are trash and you should feel like trash.