I don't understand the addon hate. If you don't like them don't use them, If a guild requires them its obviously not the guild for you anyway. The interface needs to either be changeable or moddable. I run a smaller guild of people who started playing together in EQ1 and some of those people aren't exactly quick on the draw anymore for one reason or the other. Being stuck with a UI they can't use well or no macro's to make things a little smoother will force them to cancel and that makes me sad. I am fine with the ui myself but that does not mean I can't see where it needs to be improved nor do I wish to hold others back from getting their full enjoyment out of the game. I do understand the frustration with things like Recount. A few of us are very competitive and there was a lot of pressure to always be on the top, sometimes to the detriment of good playing. That comes with the territory and you can always try and avoid people like that.