Go with battle cry, free screams(which have 60% chance to critical after you impale em) is win. Vicious slash costs 3 rage(get one back with shien) and does crap damage in comparison to your other choices.

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101cMZI0rRruddhRZzM.1 I'm thinking of using this build, Shien is awesome and you have near infinite rage with it.

Infernal Council is an end game boss fight, don't worry about it. I guess you could tell how well you are using your spec by comparing the general damage you are doing with other people of the same spec. I suggest asking on the forums or taking one of the specs listed here and trying to figure out or ask about a proper rotation(basically the order of moves you should do when fighting enemies).

Some would say vengeance can tank in pvp better than immortal spec. Imo, any class/spec can tank in pvp if you have a taunt and pocket healer to save your butt.

Same, but I figured it was because of some sort of frame rate lag on me end(my pc is utter crap).

Least we can still acquired some nice dark side points >

This. Speaking about vengeance, I'm looking at using this spec seems sound and I figure I share it: 5/33/3 http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101cMZI0rRruddhRZzM.1

Ok, Mr. Self-proclaimed forum policeman who simple glazes over topics and shoves advice down our throats without even looking at what the thread is about. With your logic I guess there should be 4 threads for every class because most of the threads are related to each other in one way or another besides class and duplicate discussions said in other threads that are difficult to find. If I want to be corrected I'll wait till my thread gets shut down and/or I get redirected by someone who wants to actually show me a thread about Vengeance specs, because I have seen only about 2-3 specs of said specs posted over the forums and no real discussion about placement of talents/skills for level 50 pvp.

This.

- Ok, I've finally hit 50. However, I want to pvp and still be decent at pve(for some group content, dailies, etc). My idea is to go Vengeance. I played immortal from 10-46, and found out how much I hate it for pvp, since mitigation has no place in pvp. Anyway, I played the last 5 lvls vengeance and rage on and off to pvp and pve. In conclusion: I found I dislike rage because of it's overall emphasis on smash and like vengeance a lot. Now I've made a new vengeance spec(haven't implemented it yet because I don't want to throw another 20,000-30,000 credits down the drain), but I want to hear what you guys think about it. Also mind you, I wanted to try to attempt something original with this spec. - Spec will be posted below for those who hate reading text(I'm with you): http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101cMZI0rRruddhRZzM.1

Bounty Hunters even have a pull(grappling hook thing). Yet we have the force on our side... and no pull... /sigh

I had so much trouble with this fight and I got a crap load of frame rate lag whenever Baras cast his aoe lightning that I would press interrupt when I was near him and it wouldn't do it until after he completed casting his buff, in which he would instant kill me. I brought in a friend to help me interrupt Baras. Btw Vengeance spec as well, I tried most specs and Vengeance is my favorite so far(I hate rage specs focus on smash).

First question: It's less than the marauder, however you're sturdier compared to marauders. second question: Vengeance is considered the Juggernauts pve damage spec by most(though it can be used with varing effectiveness in pvp). In short, it is very viable.

Makes me sad, since vengeance is fun.

- This. From a pvp standpoint, Immortal spec might as well not exist. It just does too little damage and almost none of the defensive stats work in pvp. - You might as well just stack up on all of the damage increasing gear you can because focusing on defense focused gear for pvp is like having no gear at all except you actually wasted time acquiring it. - If you wanna do well in pvp I suggest going Vengeance or Rage. Rage is more effective but I hate the spec and rotation. If the game decides to lag and you could be on top of someone and you smash; you will miss and you will pissed and screwed. - I would love vengeance if the dots scaled with your gear, which they don't. However, at least vengeance is a fun rotation for me.

If you aren't tanking than Broonmark should be better. However, Jaesa has better dps, i think. I personally find Jaesa to a be a very good companion despite having switched from being a full immortal tank to an all out burst damage centered rage spec since my heavy armor still allows me to take quite the beating.

I find the class fun, especially when specialized in the rage skill tree, so much damage... so much... SMASH!!!

I'd say go immortal until you complete balmorra(and i mean complete it! bonus and all!) and respec into either rage or vengeance. You will have a companion after that will be able to keep you alive and you will do fine damage as well.

Cyborg, size 2. "More machine than man..."

That's what I meant, no class can do that without proper gearing or adrenals. However, thanks for helping with the message I was trying to get across.

So? Operatives can stun you once and kill you before you can get out of the said stun regardless of your spec or armor class.

Actually you can get pulled over for impeding traffic if you are driving too slow.

For me that option is bugged and will only last for a short time before resetting itself and I have to go back through the options to set it back to not showing the corruption. Such an annoying bug!!!

Yes, good... give into your anger.

Scream just has high damage, I believe. No added threat in the mechanics of the ability based on description, so any threat gained is strictly from the damage inflicted by the ability.