Jdast Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, FlatTax said: Not at all. I'm all for a thriving Crafting ecosystem. I just don't want it monetized. This will come across as a back-handed compliment, and in many ways it is. I respect your viewpoint even though I disagree with it. You stick to your guns which is admirable. When you say you want a "thriving Crafting ecosystem" you ignore the part about the 'marketplace' because you refuse to acknowledge that some players enjoy playing the GTN. You want to deprive them of their efforts and make crafting a solo / legacy advantage only. That is not conducive to a functioning 'ecosystem' in any way. Regardless, it doesn't matter since, as I assume you will acknowledge, Bioware (or any other MMORPG that I can think of) has not taken an iota of a step in your direction. Of the many MMORPGS I have played, SWTOR is the least monetized of them all. Your best argument is Augments / Kits, and that is still weak. Keep in mind, even with Augments / Kits we are talking about a 4% difference. When you talk about the +41 crystals I guarantee you that many (probably most) of us just roll our eyes. 😉 Dasty Edited April 23, 2023 by Jdast Stupid Typos! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatTax Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jdast said: When you say you want a "thriving Crafting ecosystem" you ignore the part about the 'marketplace' because you refuse to acknowledge that some players enjoy playing the GTN. You want to deprive them of their efforts and make crafting a solo / legacy advantage only. Again, not at all. I'd love to see Crafting thriving on the GTN. Nothing about that requires monetization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdast Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, FlatTax said: Again, not at all. I'd love to see Crafting thriving on the GTN. Nothing about that requires monetization. Anything on the GTN by definition requires credits, which by definition is 'monetization' - unless you can come up with a different form of currency. I've tried my best folks. I think it is time to just admit that Flat Tax and I see the galaxy in two completely different ways. Dasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatTax Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jdast said: Anything on the GTN by definition requires credits, which by definition is 'monetization' - unless you can come up with a different form of currency. I've tried my best folks. I think it is time to just admit that Flat Tax and I see the galaxy in two completely different ways. Dasty Noooo.Monetization, in game development, refers to real-world cash.Now we do have a separate problem with EA monetizing Credits, but that's fixable, too. Edited April 24, 2023 by FlatTax Clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOfTheWarriorx Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 On 4/22/2023 at 6:17 PM, SteveTheCynic said: "For free" is a very strong word to use for things that require white materials to craft. (Everything of any value that you craft requires white materials.) White materials are not free. Granted, they cost spit-all credits, but the cost isn't zero. Just for the record, when I say "free" I mean not real life money. Obviously in game credits are required in many instances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOfTheWarriorx Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 On 4/22/2023 at 6:48 PM, FlatTax said: This is a meaningless fact that distracts from how monetized grinds work. Whether or not anyone else gets it, EA gets it. Do you expect EA to make, produce, maintain SWTOR for free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatTax Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 4 hours ago, WayOfTheWarriorx said: Do you expect EA to make, produce, maintain SWTOR for free? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardrossan Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 On 4/22/2023 at 5:17 PM, Jdast said: I admire your perseverance, but at some point you should recognize that the overwhelming majority disagrees with you. There is a reason why. I can count on two fingers the people who agree with your definition of Play-to-Win. Nevertheless, keep Tilting at Windmills. Your crusade has gained no traction for years and never will, either in SWTOR or any other major MMORPG. Dasty I agree with Flat. Admittedly, I mainly agree because I dislike most of the players arguing with him and their conservative, do-nothing attitude about fixing game problems. At least he has a well-thought out plan for making changes. So on that basis, I'm happy to lend him the benefit of my considerable influence as solidarity for whatever it is he's agitating for 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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