starbuckone Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Make characters like Darth Mar & Vaylin companions for players if they want them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneWhoLives Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Um... they're kinda dead, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xordevoreaux Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 17 minutes ago, TheOneWhoLives said: Um... they're kinda dead, dude. Didn't stop me from getting Spoiler Torian back off the Odessen terminal after I accidentally let him die once as a choice in the story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehufsa Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 3 hours ago, starbuckone said: Make characters like Darth Mar & Vaylin companions for players if they want them. They could be added at the Odessen terminal, but with the " canonically speaking, they are dead and will take no part in the story". One other option: somehow, Czerka Corporation acquired Vaylin's genetic material and used it to create a clone. The clone escaped lab and the player's character is tasked by the leader of his faction (Emperor/Empress of the Sith or Supreme Chancellor of the Republic) to capture and destroy it. When she is found, surprise, she doesn't have any of the memories of the original, which makes her quite inoffensive, therefore the player ends up recruiting her. This might work because there is already a precedent, Spoiler Coral & Mako in the BH story, Mako being a genetic copy of Coral, but without Coral's homicidal tendencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darthmoriquendi Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 5 hours ago, starbuckone said: Make characters like Darth Mar & Vaylin companions for players if they want them. Marr most likely not. Vaylin is probably coming back as that red head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starbuckone Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share Posted November 4, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, TheOneWhoLives said: Um... they're kinda dead, dude. And how many times has Revan , Valkorian, and Malgus died? Not to mention you even see him chatting with Satele after death plus he helps defeat the many versions of the eternal emperor which just shows death is not permanent for force users. Also must I remind you clone technology also exists in the old republic era? How many copies of Mako were there? I believe 14 including Mako & Koral. To quote Ian Malcom " Life Finds A Way" Edited November 4, 2022 by starbuckone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneWhoLives Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 (edited) Well... neither Marr nor Vaylin have the power to cheat death. Vitiate had to destroy entire planets to pull it off. Marr is a Force ghost, which means he can only observe and speak with the living world. He can no longer directly affect it. Sort of like Obi-Wan and Yoda in the OT. Vaylin can't even be a Force ghost since she lacked the balance that Marr had. Ultimately... Vaylin can't come back in any form and Marr is still dead. Meaning he can't fight like a companion is meant to. As for cloning... that doesn't make them the same person. A clone of Marr might be a homicidal maniac because he doesn't have Marr's experience. Also, cloning was imperfect and unreliable at this point in galactic history. That's why the program that created Mako was so well-funded and partially why it was eventually shut down. Only the Rakata had the capacity to clone anything with any skill before the Kaminoans. Edited November 4, 2022 by TheOneWhoLives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 2 hours ago, TheOneWhoLives said: Well... neither Marr nor Vaylin have the power to cheat death. Vitiate had to destroy entire planets to pull it off. Marr is a Force ghost, which means he can only observe and speak with the living world. He can no longer directly affect it. In SWTOR lore, Sith spirits(1) *can* affect the living world. Ref: Lord Kallig in the initial encounter with the player character on Dromund Kaas. (1) I'm aware that some folks make a distinction between Force ghosts and Sith spirits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneWhoLives Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 I was under the impression that Kallig's ability to affect the Inquisitor was due to the shared bloodline allowing him to connect with them. Aside from that, Sith spirits needed to possess something or someone to do anything. And I think Marr qualifies as a Force ghost. Remember, he said his death forced him to reassess his position in the Force. He found balance before becoming one with the Force and became a balanced presence. Therefore, likely lacks the distinguishing factors of a Sith spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 9 hours ago, TheOneWhoLives said: I was under the impression that Kallig's ability to affect the Inquisitor was due to the shared bloodline allowing him to connect with them. Aside from that, Sith spirits needed to possess something or someone to do anything. Up to a point, yes, but don't forget that Wossname, the one who rants about vipers and his daughter and stuff (where Thanaton sends you to get the writings) *also* manages to affect the Inquisitor, but isn't linked to her in the same way. And Kallig also kills a bunch of people, and by implication not by possessing them and getting them killed. (No, it's not explicitly stated, either for or against.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehufsa Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 On 11/5/2022 at 2:41 PM, SteveTheCynic said: Up to a point, yes, but don't forget that Wossname, the one who rants about vipers and his daughter and stuff (where Thanaton sends you to get the writings) *also* manages to affect the Inquisitor, but isn't linked to her in the same way. And Kallig also kills a bunch of people, and by implication not by possessing them and getting them killed. (No, it's not explicitly stated, either for or against.) Darth Andru, if I'm not wrong, he's the Sith betrayed by his own daughter (and apprentice). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 9 hours ago, bluehufsa said: Darth Andru, if I'm not wrong, he's the Sith betrayed by his own daughter (and apprentice). Yup, him. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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