Aeneas_Falco Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 The Worf Effect In order to establish that Sith characters are dangerous, the writers too often have them destroying Jedi masters. This is done because the Jedi masters themselves are supposed to be extremely dangerous opponents. The problem is that it is done so often (and not equally in reverse) that it just ends up undercutting the Jedi. In short: Writing failures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casirabit Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) Simply put : The writers. If you are a writer sometimes you have a preference and that preference is shown in your work. If you prefer the Sith, then in your writing the Sith will be stronger and if you prefer the Jedi then the Jedi will be stronger. Edited February 21, 2017 by casirabit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SithKoriandr Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 As for the Master vs. Darth: Darths are stronger. Not because the Dark Side, but because 90% of them had to kill someone stronger to earn that title (very few get it free - see Darth Zash), while to get the Master title, all you need to do is finish a Padawan's training to become a Knight. But there are alternate ways: the lamest one I know is one of the PCs: The Jedi need a diplomat to negotiate with the Rift Alliance. They thought of the Consular, but that Jedi diplomat must be a Master. So they give you the title. While the Knight doesn't get it when his/her padawan becomes a Knight, but needs to defeat the most powerful Dark Side user to earn that title. Completely fair. The Consular got the Master title for a bit more than just becoming the chosen one to negotiate with the Rift Alliance. She got rid of the plague (the bad writing here is if you did it dark side ) by sacrificing her own strength and still defeating the powerful dark side user. In contrast, the Knight started their career off, by doing the same thing the Trooper is doing. Consular was far from undeserving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool-dude Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 i thought the Jedi and sith stories were lessons in themselves. You're confronted with situations that show you what it is to be a Jedi and Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehufsa Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 I do not see my jedi consular "weak" compared to a sith inquisitor, this topic is just unfair and pointless. i completed a lot of chapters in veteran mode, so wheres the weakness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XhrisShan Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 The Worf Effect In order to establish that Sith characters are dangerous, the writers too often have them destroying Jedi masters. This is done because the Jedi masters themselves are supposed to be extremely dangerous opponents. The problem is that it is done so often (and not equally in reverse) that it just ends up undercutting the Jedi. In short: Writing failures. Necroing because this guy makes a good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael_diSanto Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 The Consular got the Master title for a bit more than just becoming the chosen one to negotiate with the Rift Alliance. She got rid of the plague (the bad writing here is if you did it dark side ) by sacrificing her own strength and still defeating the powerful dark side user. In contrast, the Knight started their career off, by doing the same thing the Trooper is doing. Consular was far from undeserving. Prologue - Consular: has to assemble their own lightsaber, hunting down the component parts from an ancient sacred weapon. Knight: Gets given one. Chapter 3 - Consular: Has spent all of chapter 2 travelling around the galaxy forging alliances and wheeling and dealing to build a power base and an army. Knight: Shows up on Corellia and gets given one. Those are just two of the most egregious examples of the Knight getting given things that the Consular has had to actually work for, in game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_carton Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) Chapter 3 - Consular: Has spent all of chapter 2 travelling around the galaxy forging alliances and wheeling and dealing to build a power base and an army. Knight: Shows up on Corellia and gets given one. The Consular class story is very class-appropriate. It is building alliances, gathering support of armies and leading up to a galactic-showdown while simultaneously discovering and defeating the Emperor's children (including one on the Jedi Council). Makes for a very meaty and satisfying game. Comparatively speaking, the Inquisitor's story is a navel-gazing power struggle between 3 inconsequential people. Edited March 20, 2017 by mike_carton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricul Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Because empire = Survival of the fittest while Republic = affermative action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool-dude Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 One only needs to view the differences in their training. the Jedi trainees get to train with a Jedi master in the safety of their Jedi temple. Our jedi was a unique case, because we had already been trained to fight when we had come to Tython. Then we have the Sith, that are immediately thrown into tombs and valleys filled with carnivorous beasts and sith spirits that drive people insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spetulhu Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 One only needs to view the differences in their training. Both Jedi and Sith receive training before the story starts (at least the Sith Warrior is told he's being moved ahead early), but there's certainly a difference as you say. I recall there used to be a Tython quest (was it?) where your Jedi speaks to an acolyte trying to move a heavy boulder with telekinesis who is frustrated at not managing it, and while you can do it for him it's not the point of the lesson - his master wants him to learn his limits instead of cheating or forcing it. A Sith (and his teacher) wouldn't care one bit about limits, they'd care about getting it done by any means necessary even if you had to force other acolytes to help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SithKoriandr Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Both Jedi and Sith receive training before the story starts (at least the Sith Warrior is told he's being moved ahead early), but there's certainly a difference as you say. I recall there used to be a Tython quest (was it?) where your Jedi speaks to an acolyte trying to move a heavy boulder with telekinesis who is frustrated at not managing it, and while you can do it for him it's not the point of the lesson - his master wants him to learn his limits instead of cheating or forcing it. A Sith (and his teacher) wouldn't care one bit about limits, they'd care about getting it done by any means necessary even if you had to force other acolytes to help you. Not always true. Zash doesn't appreciate the other acolyte trying to take out the Inquisitor for the position of her apprentice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool-dude Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Not always true. Zash doesn't appreciate the other acolyte trying to take out the Inquisitor for the position of her apprentice. That was because she had chosen you for reasons mentioned later on in the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shayddow Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 <<there used to be a Tython quest (was it?) where your Jedi speaks to an acolyte trying to move a heavy boulder with telekinesis who is frustrated at not managing it, and while you can do it for him it's not the point of the lesson - his master wants him to learn his limits instead of cheating or forcing it. A Sith (and his teacher) wouldn't care one bit about limits, they'd care about getting it done by any means necessary even if you had to force other acolytes to help you. >> That quest still exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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