Marmerus Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Guild Wars has eliminated the holy trinity system [*]SWTOR can not do this without rehauling their game. However, they can take the rift approach. SWTOR could allow multiple builds of characters. Another solution, is to allow players alts to become members of their crew, allowing players to easily change out characters using a quick logout-login process. Sure, DHT is still needed, but at least now players can more easily swap out builds for others. They have also eliminated advanced classes beyond level 10. Just imagine yourself playing a character that is 1/3 healer, 1/3 dps and 1/3 tank. It would be like having 3x level 10s in this game that you switch between. If you look at the videos you can see they have a very limited number of spells. I could be wrong and the game could probably get more advanced. But after all the videos and all the comments from their developers it got me thinking this game will fail pretty hard. It will be good for casuals that don't care about how complex and enjoyable a class becomes. But by the looks of it, it does not fit my style. I rather have something with a little more complexity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denalo Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Why do you people even play mmo's or videogames at all...reading this entire post has given me such a headache guild wars 2 will be a good game swtor is not a good game *yet* im a fan of star wars im a fan of fantasy rpg's...the mental conditioning some of you must go threw to have thease My game is better then your game and anyone who says otherwise is just Wrong! and should be shot in the knee with a crossbow 9001 times by a youtube troll mindsets is disturbeing.I have nothing realy to add to this *disscussion* but atleast you have something else to beat other then that poor dead horse now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamataKahn Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 This game is fun, but it doesn't have a chance in hell at competing with GW2. They really need to concentrate on fixing a ton of stuff and adding features that should have been in at at launch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamataKahn Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 No dedicated healers is a huge mistake that they will regret. . Yeah, cuz taking forever to find one or a tank in the traditional system is really fun right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Wow, you found footage of a level 1 player who has propably never even played the game before. Congratulations. I could post a lot more videos where the combat looks pretty slow and stale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamataKahn Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I could post a lot more videos where the combat looks pretty slow and stale. To a ToR fanboi I'm sure it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 To a ToR fanboi I'm sure it does. I'm not a TOR fanboy, I'm actually pretty excited for GW2. Just pointing out that it's combat system might be overhyped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmerus Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) To a ToR fanboi I'm sure it does. Also to everyone else Perfect video of playing a warrior that equals to playing a level 10 warrior in WoW or SWTOR. Tank 5 abilities DPS 5 abilities Healing 5 abilities Edited January 1, 2012 by Marmerus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneberry Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 No holy trinity? goodbye competitive raiding. if you don't need a healer, that means you can avoid damage completely. If you can avoid damage completely, that means you can solo every mob in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmerus Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 No holy trinity? goodbye competitive raiding. if you don't need a healer, that means you can avoid damage completely. If you can avoid damage completely, that means you can solo every mob in the game. /facepalm The holy trinity system means you as a player can play 3 different classes and switch between them. So you can tank one second and then switch to healer and your 5 tanking abilities gets replaced with 5 healing abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daxramas Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Seriously if people are going to have some input into this thread have the courtesy to at least research the game you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialSun Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I keep reading this blah that GW2 is revolutionery because they have done away with the trinity... When i go and read up on this statement i find that all they have done is replace dps / tank / healer with damage / control / support. Maybe im missing something but that sounds like a trinity model with different names? Hardly revolutionery imo.... Driz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeragu Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Greed is the only reason companies charge monthly fees for MMOs. This is a fact. Everquest and UO did it because in the 90s server/bandwidth costs were very high and since people excepted it everyone has done so since. Server costs and bandwidth are not even published in many companies statements and if they are it is part of a group of costs or as a side note. As it is not a large sum incurred. Actually I thought they charged a fee to keep the rabble out. =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortcake Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBC_ig73aMs for the clueless ppl that obviously dont know **** about gw2 and about the thread title: it cant. Edited January 1, 2012 by Shortcake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneberry Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 The holy trinity in MMO's refers to the 3 distinct but necessary roles people can play in the game. Tank Healer DPS in most mmo's if you want to defeat any high end content, each of the 3 must be represented in some way in your party. the boss only dies when the dps reduce its health to 0 dps cant do damage when they are dead so they need a tank to soak the damage for them tanks cant live forever so they need a healer to keep them alive healers don't have unlimited resources so the dps need to kill the boss before they run out of healing resources and the whole show falls apart. unless they somehow changed the concept while i was leveling my assassin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daxramas Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 The holy trinity in MMO's refers to the 3 distinct but necessary roles people can play in the game. Tank Healer DPS in most mmo's if you want to defeat any high end content, each of the 3 must be represented in some way in your party. the boss only dies when the dps reduce its health to 0 dps cant do damage when they are dead so they need a tank to soak the damage for them tanks cant live forever so they need a healer to keep them alive healers don't have unlimited resources so the dps need to kill the boss before they run out of healing resources and the whole show falls apart. unless they somehow changed the concept while i was leveling my assassin. Which is why ArenaNet have removed the Trinity, I don't see the point you're trying to make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormlessOne Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 By redirecting malcontents to Guild Wars 2, thereby reducing both server & forum load and improving the game's overall performance, while simultaneously saddling Guild Wars 2 developers & staff with the folks most likely to drag down their game's performance & reputation? Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialSun Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Which is why ArenaNet have removed the Trinity, I don't see the point you're trying to make? As per my earlier post from what i read they just renamed the trinity damage / control / support and wrapped up healer into the support role. so its still a trinity model as far as i can see... Driz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) By redirecting malcontents to Guild Wars 2, thereby reducing both server & forum load and improving the game's overall performance, while simultaneously saddling Guild Wars 2 developers & staff with the folks most likely to drag down their game's performance & reputation? Just a thought. Bioware could always use an RPG launcher on the Arenanet building. Edited January 1, 2012 by Jaku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daxramas Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 As per my earlier post from what i read they just renamed the trinity damage / control / support and wrapped up healer into the support role. so its still a trinity model as far as i can see... Driz Yes there's the damage / support / control. But those are not set role for each class, if you make a certain class say an elementalist, you will fill all those roles within what weapon you use as well as what utility skills you've chosen, that's what they mean by removing the Trinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eathanskies Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 As per my earlier post from what i read they just renamed the trinity damage / control / support and wrapped up healer into the support role. so its still a trinity model as far as i can see... Driz you aren't locked into a certain role by what class you pick, that's why it's a better system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmerus Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBC_ig73aMs for the clueless ppl that obviously dont know **** about gw2 and about the thread title: it cant. From around 6 minutes and forward he is just trolling or really stupid. He don't understand interaction between the player and the game. When you switch weapons your abilities gets switched out. That does not mean you get MORE abilities it means you replace your current ones. So in total you have 5 active abilities tied to your "class" or weapon of choice. So this is a really dumbed down game and I would not be surprised if it got designed to be converted to consoles. Because clearly the number of buttons on SNES controller is enough to use all your characters abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 :From around 6 minutes and forward he is just trolling or really stupid. He don't understand interaction between the player and the game. When you switch weapons your abilities gets switched out. That does not mean you get MORE abilities it means you replace your current ones. So in total you have 5 active abilities tied to your "class" or weapon of choice. So this is a really dumbed down game and I would not be surprised if it got designed to be converted to consoles. Because clearly the number of buttons on SNES controller is enough to use all your characters abilities. They are considering Diablo 3 for the consoles, so anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmerus Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 The holy trinity in MMO's refers to the 3 distinct but necessary roles people can play in the game. Tank Healer DPS in most mmo's if you want to defeat any high end content, each of the 3 must be represented in some way in your party. the boss only dies when the dps reduce its health to 0 dps cant do damage when they are dead so they need a tank to soak the damage for them tanks cant live forever so they need a healer to keep them alive healers don't have unlimited resources so the dps need to kill the boss before they run out of healing resources and the whole show falls apart. unless they somehow changed the concept while i was leveling my assassin. The trinity is still there with the exception that you can change spec in middle of combat with the flick of a switch. Meaning you could go from tanking to healing if a healer dies. This is what they mean with removing the trinity system. Its a nice concept and idea but how it will turn out in the game is something we will have to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eathanskies Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 From around 6 minutes and forward he is just trolling or really stupid. He don't understand interaction between the player and the game. When you switch weapons your abilities gets switched out. That does not mean you get MORE abilities it means you replace your current ones. So in total you have 5 active abilities tied to your "class" or weapon of choice. So this is a really dumbed down game and I would not be surprised if it got designed to be converted to consoles. Because clearly the number of buttons on SNES controller is enough to use all your characters abilities. It's a gameplay decision. Similar to an fps game's loadout or customising your deck in a card game, it's to impose a limit on what abilities you can use at once. How good you are doesn't rely on how many skills you have, but how you combine them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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