adormitul Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Lets say you are not born one can you become one trough artificial means? Was there such a thing in Star Wars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachimthbear Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) Lets say you are not born one can you become one trough artificial means? Was there such a thing in Star Wars? I think that's kind of a grey area. People who are "Force sensitive" do not necessarily manifest the ability immediately or even suspect that they have any kind of special ability. I don't know if there's an age by which a person will automatically have discovered his or her Force sensitivity, so any given person is potentially a Force sensitive in waiting, so to speak. Basically this may come down to how we feel about midichlorians. If you think midichlorians are what gives Force power to a person, then the answer to your question is yes: inject your would-be Force user full of midichlorian-rich blood and let the little microbes work their magic. If you don't accept midichlorians as a thing or think they're only an indicator of Force power, not its cause, then the actual origin of Force powers is a total unknown and there's no rule for deciding who could potentially develop Force abilities at some point in the future. In other words: if there's a physical cause to Force sensitivity then it can almost certainly be added to a person using spacefuture medical science, and if there isn't, then there's nobody in the galaxy we can say for certain isn't potentially Force sensitive. Actual examples? Not sure if it is now or was ever canon, but in Jedi Outcast, the Reborn are non-Force sensitives who've had the power infused into them by siphoning it off from the Valley of the Jedi. That might be a extension of the fact that a Force ghost (usually the Sith/Dark Side variant) can possess a regular person and wield Force powers through them, as seen on several occasions in SWTOR. There may well be other cases out there as well. Edited December 12, 2015 by Joachimthbear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 The Valey of Jedi was the place where the thought bomb exploded and final showdown between the sith brotherhood and the jedi lords there plenty of force ghosts there but then why did the listened to Dessan and Tavion? I mean I get if they where no possessed by force ghosts its because of loyalty but ancient sith ghosts are to proud to do listen to Dessan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyltran Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Lets say you are not born one can you become one trough artificial means? Was there such a thing in Star Wars? Naturally you can't. If you aren't born as a force sensitive you won't be able to wield the force. The person below you theorized if you put midichlorians in someone (inject them if you will) this might give you force sensitivity. It won't. Midichlorian counts are determined by the concentration of midichlorians in each individual cell (not just by blood.) any attempt to increase one's midichlorian count resulted in death of the user. (Plagueis found a way to increase his own.) Now Midichlorians aren't the force and this is a common misconception. Midichlorians create a gap between the being and the force allowing the potential force sensitive to harness that "invisible energy field." and manipulate it. In short midichlorians are created by the force. In Jedi Academy it was possible to infuse people with the force. This was done by using a special rod create by Marka Ragnos to absorb the force from certain places of power and infuse them into other people who naturally didn't have force potential. Unfortunately this was only a temporary effect for these individuals as once the scepter was destroyed they lost their power. So it's more likely, much like how ghosts can latch onto a person, the rod created a bridge between them and itself to allow them to perceive and utilize the force. The rod in this case was acting as a midichlorian but without it them using the force just wasn't possible. In short? If you weren't born force sensitive no amount of meditation or training is going to allow you to become a Jedi or a Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 Can't you clone all the organs of a powerful force sensitive and put them to you piece by piece? As we know clones of force sensitives are force sensitives. Doing like Frankenstain monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanyaCross Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Lets say you are not born one can you become one trough artificial means? Was there such a thing in Star Wars? I'm pretty sure that's what happened to Ravage' in Clone Wars. True, he was Maul's brother and it's possible he had some hidden trace that just never manifested, but given all the crazy force-sorcery that goes on, who's to say it's completely impossible for someone to be infused with enough of the dark side to artificially make them a conduit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyltran Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) Can't you clone all the organs of a powerful force sensitive and put them to you piece by piece? As we know clones of force sensitives are force sensitives. Doing like Frankenstain monster. Nope. Midichlorians are based on the percentage in EACH individual cell. Even organs, even if you have every organ, still won't amount to that. In fact, your body would reject them. That's partly why any attempts to increase midichlorian count results in the person dying. The body rejects midichlorian concentrations that are abnormal. I think this is why in the star wars universe instead of doing organ transplants they prefer to clone your own tissue and organs. I'm pretty sure that's what happened to Ravage' in Clone Wars. True, he was Maul's brother and it's possible he had some hidden trace that just never manifested, but given all the crazy force-sorcery that goes on, who's to say it's completely impossible for someone to be infused with enough of the dark side to artificially make them a conduit. Savage was already force sensitive. He was just physically altered by Talzin's magic making him more physically demanding and tough. Edited December 12, 2015 by Rhyltran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 I'm pretty sure that's what happened to Ravage' in Clone Wars. True, he was Maul's brother and it's possible he had some hidden trace that just never manifested, but given all the crazy force-sorcery that goes on, who's to say it's completely impossible for someone to be infused with enough of the dark side to artificially make them a conduit. He was Maul's brother from the same mother who was a force user? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highborne Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Lets say you are not born one can you become one trough artificial means? Was there such a thing in Star Wars? No - the level of Force sensitivity you are born with is what you will have for the duration of your life (barring certain accidents that might make it go down). Next question, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 Well the Reborn where a exception by using the staff of Ragnos or because a being from another universe purified them giving them force sensitivity and then they absorbed the spirits from the valley of the jedi because they where purified. Now the first thing can still happen but the second thing not so much. I wonder does the fact that Valkorian is in the body of a non force sensitive worked as the staff of Ragnos giving him force sensitivity so Valkorian could use his force powers trough his host. Before when he controlled non force sensitives he could not use the force trough them hell there was no force ghost that could do that they needed a force sensitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyltran Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Well the Reborn where a exception by using the staff of Ragnos or because a being from another universe purified them giving them force sensitivity and then they absorbed the spirits from the valley of the jedi because they where purified. Now the first thing can still happen but the second thing not so much. I wonder does the fact that Valkorian is in the body of a non force sensitive worked as the staff of Ragnos giving him force sensitivity so Valkorian could use his force powers trough his host. Before when he controlled non force sensitives he could not use the force trough them hell there was no force ghost that could do that they needed a force sensitive. This is incorrect. There are powerful Sith Spirits who can use their powers as a spirit. These same Sith Spirits can use their powers while in possession of people who lack power. A good example? Look at Farshol from the Dromund Kaas temple. He was a spirit inside a foreman and was capable of delivering a shock to "prove" he was a sith lord. The foreman was clearly non-force sensitive (if he was he would have been sent to the academy. Anyone with force sensitivity, even minor force sensitivity, are sent to the academy.) A spirit can enact their power through non-force sensitives because they act as the conduit. Which means yes Valkorion can enact his power while possessing a non-force sensitive outlander. You speak of when he possessed but that's just it. When he split his will into multiple bodies it was more mind control than full on possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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