Spoilers! **Darth Marr´s Fate Discussion** KotFE

[AkeroStar]

Now anyone who hasnt played FE yet or hasnt meet The Emperor of The Eternal Empire yet in his throne room, mega spoilers ahead. So, everyone who has come further then that no spoiler warning needed for you.

 

Long post, just so you know. Darth Marr has always been my favorite Star Wars character ever, Im putting in my A game here to prove and argue that hes not dead.

 

Now those of us who have been in Valkorions throne room knows what happens. Specifically to Darth Marr. The greatest Sith and character in Star Wars History if you ask me. I want to just discuss it since people think different things. And since Chapter X isnt coming until 2016 we have plenty of time to kill. I will share what I think. But then Im curios what you all think.

 

*Do you think Darth Marr is dead? Follow up to this question.

*Why do you think so? Do you want him to come back to life?

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*Do you think Darth Marr is alive? Follow up to this question.

*Why do you think so? Do you want him to be dead or imprisoned?

 

So if you ask me Darth Marr just cant die. He is the greatest Sith ever! He is like the only Sith that doesnt take part in the infighting of the Sith or The Empire and all the greed and power moves. He only cares about The Empire as a whole. He is the defender and champion of the Empire. His selflessness and loyalty to The Empire alone is just inspiring. Hes only focused on his factions well being. And hes willing to do what ever it takes to ensure its safety. Like he has now, allied with the Republic. Because he realises he cant defeat the Eternal Empire alone. Hes a very open minded Sith, and its just very big of him to ask his usual enemies for help and to make an alliance with them. No one give Darth Marr any crap. He can see past the petty rivalry and hatred the Sith and Jedi, Republic and Empire have over each other for the greater good. Hes an amazing character, one that cant be replaced by anyone.

 

I really hope Bioware hasnt killed him of for good.

 

First I just want to point out that some besides myself think Darth Marr´s death is false.

 

One player said

"As for Darth Marr I still think that its a false death, played out specifically like that as a teaser to make people think hes dead, but irrespective of if you kneel or not, the emperor zaps you as well and you both wake up in a kolto tank each as its being drained away."

 

I agree with this. The only thing that makes me sceptical is that hes seen as a force ghost/spirit talking with Satele Shan. I have a theory about that.

 

So here are my points and my theory why I think Darth Marr is alive.

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So firstly, absolute nr.1! Everyone who has seen Darth Marr in the throne room is like "hes dead" or "maybe hes not dead". Well lets see what we know. We know that Darth Marr is hit by Valkorions lightning. We know that he falls to the ground. That is in fact all we know. No one sais that hes dead, which I will get into more later. There is no heartrate monitor popping up and going "piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip" as if hes dead. He could simply be knocked out. He could be injured. Just because one is hit by lightning, falls to the ground and doesnt move does not mean hes dead. Ever heard of falling unconscious? Or yeah, getting knocked out? So everyone who sais hes dead could be wrong. Everyone who sais hes alive could be wrong. The fact is we dont know. And honestly when I saw Darth Marr get hit by that lightning the first thing I thought was "aouch, that is gonna hurt in the morning" not that he was dead. I did not get the impression that he was dead now. I interpreted it like he got injured.

 

Another thing, everyone is more concerned that the fact we see Darth Marr as a ghost/spirit means hes dead. Wrong, that could be any reason why we see him like that. It COULD, be that hes dead. But it also COULD be that he is in fact using the force to communicate with Satele from far away, or his carbonite prison. Which could just be force telepathy. Jedi and Sith have a sort of telepahy. Thats how they can do for example mind tricks.

 

So if were going to use Wikipedia as a source for facts, then here is a quote that supports my theory.

"Every Force user, Jedi or Sith, was potentially able to use this ability. The range of telepathy itself is theoretically infinite, but the telepath must be able to sense the presences of those they wish to contact. Thus, communicating with non-Force-sensitives became nearly impossible over distances greater than a handful of kilometers, and the typical upper limit for Force-sensitives was approximately 1,000 kilometers. However, individuals who either shared a biological relationship or a particularly strong emotional bond were known to communicate across far greater ranges. In extreme cases (such as the twin bond between Jacen and Jaina Solo), the link apparently had no spacial limit."

 

Now I know Darth Marr and Satele were not exactly best friends. But they are both extremly strong in the force. Which could explain how Darth Marr could communicate with Satele from example another planet. And that he did not have to be dead to do so.

 

Link to quote above:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Telepathy

 

Also about wikipedia. That Marr´s death date had been added to Wiki. That is just what is known so far. It is not confirmed and it is just what it seems like. Besides, never trust Wiki, it is never checked. Anyone can go in and type anything in there.

 

Now I will just be presenting my arguments why I think hes alive.

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A. How many have been hit by lightning and walked away? Many, like Ive lost count. Anakin, Yoda, Luke etc. Plus Darth Marr is an extremely powerful Sith. Which makes it difficult for me to accept that one attack killed him. Even if it was from Valkorion himself. Remember The Asylum? That thunder Valkorion makes The Outlander use to defeat Arcann. That was a more full power lightning attack. Compare that to what Marr got, Marr got a tiny zip compared to that. If Arcann could survive that HUGE lightning bolt, are you telling me Darth Marr couldnt survive a lightning hit that was like one tenth the strength of that huge one? And remember, it was Valkorion that was behind them both. The Outlander was just the one wielding Valkorions power against Arcann. So no, I do not believe that attack was enough to kill him. His "death" was to obvious and far to easy. If Marr was gonna die for real, they would give him a proper fight. Not a two second zap and then bye bye. Darth Marr is a far to great character to be killed of in two seconds. Hes a far to great character to be killed of at all as a matter of fact. Despite the fact that we dont encounter Marr much besides in Shadow Of Revan. We still get the sense of what kind of character and Sith he is. A strong fearless leader. A selfless Sith who is not blinded by personal goals and whos not powermad or greedy. Which you have to admit is very rare. Darth Marr has always been about one thing, The Empire and its survival. That is one thing that makes him so fantastic and epic. We survived and were frozen in carbonite. So maybe Marr is alive and possibly still frozen in carbonite. And thats why hes only seen as a force ghost, its his only means to communicate with anyone.

 

Also, why would Valkorion kill Marr? Hes a powerful strategic warrior whos kept The Empire together and leading them to victory for years. A valuable ally for someone who wants to take down the Eternal Empire. Yes it is likely that Valkorion sees Marr as a threat. So one reason, Darth Marr never trusted Valkorion, no one did. He killed everyone on Ziost after all. Marr "died" refusing to kneel to Valkorion. But what if Valkorion just incapacitated Marr? If Darth Marr sided with Valkorion he would later likely persude The Outlander to not trust Valkorion, not use his powers and such. Maybe Valkorion thought of Darth Marr as an obstacle for his goals. Because lets face it, everything thats happening now is Valkorions doing. We are the puppets and hes pulling the strings. All this, its happening because of Valkorion. He started the war so we could clean up the mess and stop his children. But he knows that we need great warriors to win. Great warriors like Darth Marr. So my point is, Valkorion couldnt afford to kill Marr because he would be a great ally to The Outlander, so he just incapacitated Marr instead.

 

This is more of an opinion then a point. But Darth Marr is like the most powerful Sith alive. Hes keeping the Dark Council together. They wouldnt listen to someone who was weaker than them. So obviously Darth Marr is stronger then the Dark Council or just as strong as them. Do you really think one hit with lightning could kill someone that strong? So how would a bolt of lightning be enough to kill him? Its just to obvious, boom were suppose to believe hes dead, its to easy. Why couldnt Valkorion just use Force Choke or his lightsaber. Why attempt to "kill" Marr in a way that he could survive from? Force lightning has never been the most efficient or effective way to kill someone. Flashback to Star Wars 6 when Luke is hit by Sidious lightning. It takes ages for Luke to get weaker. Darth Marr takes a bigger bolt then Luke in a short time. While Luke takes a longer and smaller bolt of lightning. Luke survives and he is a Jedi with not that much training. While Darth Marr is a Sith and Dark Council Member with huge amounts of training and an extremly strong connection to the force. No one can say that it has much to do with who attacks Luke and Marr. They are both attacked by two powerful emperors. So why should Luke survive but not Darth Marr? And this is up for debate, but some think the Sith are stronger then Jedi. If thats true then Darth Marr could endure an even bigger lightning hit than Luke. If Valkorion wanted Marr dead with 100% certainty, he would just have used force choke or his lightsaber. If he has one, Ive never seen Valkorion have a lightsaber.

 

A lightning attack like that is not lethal. Plus if the producers really wanted to tell us "Marr is dead". They wouldnt try to kill him with a non lethal attack. They would have a lightsaber go through his chest, or force chocked to death. They wouldnt leave this so open to interpretation. I mean why make Marr's supposed death so unfinished. Why make it so it could seem that hes alive, because he is. If they wanted him dead they wouldnt make us guess around and speculate. They wouldnt have made it seemed like "hmm, is he really dead, or just knocked out?" They would ingame have Marr killed by Arcann or Valkorion or someone and that would be the end of him. The death of Darth Marr wouldnt be dragged out into a huge "is he really dead?" debate. This is Bioware. Whenever in their past games someone has died it has been straight to the point. There has been no doubt, the character died, period. But this, supposed Marr's death is so full of holes.

 

B. Did you see the contacts in N? HK-55 is there with Marr. First when Marr was alone I thought "crap, list of dead people." But no, Theron shows up on it later. So point is, why bother have a dead guy on the contacts list? And why is he on the same list as someone alive, aka Theron? And why bother giving us affection options in conversations for someone whos not going to be alive after chapter 1? Why waste the time to create conversation options that effect his affection when he dies so early? Why bother have an affection scale on Marr at all? Because hes not dead. Think about it, Marr "dies" so fast. You have like in total 3 conversations with him before getting to the Eternal throne. Thats barely enough time to make Marr's affection lvl budge. So why include it at all? Answer, because we will have use of it later when he returns to us alive in Chapter X or later.

 

C. And like I said earlier. The fact that Marr is seen as a force ghost. Couldnt that just mean that hes communicating with Satele using the force from far away? Or couldnt it be that its his only way to communicate from his carbonite prison?

 

D. Valkorion survived inside The Outlanders mind. Isnt it possible if Marr's body was destroyed that its the same thing for him? He hitched a ride in someones head. Which could explain why we only see him communicate as a force ghost/spirit. Because his body is destroyed. Valkorion does that to, his body is dead, yet we all know hes alive inside The Outlander. So why couldnt Marr be alive inside The Outlander to or inside someone else? How do we in fact even know if Satele isnt really talking to Valkorion? We have seen his power, it would be easy for him to disguise himself as a ghost figure of Darth Marr. Ever since he jumped into our head he occasionally appears to us as a ghost figure when he stops time and presents us with some choice. So what if Darth Marr is on some world, or in prison while Valkorion is pretending to be Marr to Satele?

 

I can keep going, like I said we have seen Valkorions power. It seems to be limitless, he has literally cheated death a number of times. So what was to stop him from attacking Marr in the throne room, but preserving his life. Having Marr sent to some world or to prison while he jumped into the Outlanders head after Arcann had him killed. Earlier I said that it could be good for Valkorion to be rid of Marr since he doesnt like him or trust him. Valkorion would hardly want someone keeping an eye on him the entire time. But at the same time I said it would be very stupid to kill a potential ally as powerful as Darth Marr. So this could be a possibility for Valkorion, be rid of Marr but at the same time one day he could return and be The Outlanders ally again.

 

E. No one sais that hes dead. Valkorion doesnt, Darth Marr himself doesnt admit that hes dead and Satele doesnt. Only The Outlander because thats what hes/shes lead to believe. Which is not so surprising. If we saw someone hit by lightning then falls to the floor and isnt moving, we jump to the simplest conclusion, that hes dead. The only thing Marr sais is that he didnt realise who Valkorion was until his own life depended on it and until it was to late. But that isnt some admission that hes dead. That only means he didnt realise who Valkorion was until he was in the throne room, and thats what he means by it being to late. When Darth Marr realised who Valkorion was in the throne room, there was nothing he really could do about it. Marr is no fool, maybe he was testing Valkorion to see how much power he had. Because he knew he could take it, remember, Darth Marr is an extremely powerful Sith. Marr knows The Empire needs him, he made an alliance with the Republic because hes in that much need of help. And the Republic needs the Empire. Darth Marr wouldnt gamble his life away because of his pride or hate to not kneel to Valkorion. But wouldnt it also be a crippling strategic blow if the Empire believes its defender and champion is dead? Of course it would, a blow to morale to. So maybe it was just meant to weaken the Empire. Be a rumor that The Outlander spreads because thats what he/she thinks. But really its a false one.

 

Reference to what Darth Marr sais. Skip to the end of the video, time 18:16.

 

Yes in the contacts list it sais "killed" by Valkorion. But why keep him in the contacts? Why not just add that to his Codex entry. Why mix dead people with alive people, and why in a list thats suppose to be a list of people that can help make the alliance stronger? Answer, because Darth Marr will return and help make the alliance stronger. But at the same time that Contacts list entry of Marr cant say that hes not dead because were suppose to believe that he is dead.

 

 

Ok yeah, this is just speculation based on some facts. But Darth Marr has always been my favorite bad guy ever in Star Wars. Yes more then Revan and Darth Vader. So Id hate to see him go for real. I believe that we are just suppose to think Marr is dead. Until Marr himself sais hes dead or something like that. I will continue to be hopeful that Marr is alive. Or if nothing else will come back. Remember Star Wars III? Darth Sidious sais it is possible to cheat death through the Dark Side. We have seen Valkorion do it plenty of times. So if Marr is dead, maybe he will come back.

 

However, if Marr sadly really is dead. I will definitely require some more substantial proof. But if he is dead then my Sith Warrior will take his place. Defend The Empire no matter what. Do what Marr would do. Marr's last act, if hes really dead, was to unite The Empire and The Republic and try to fight as one against the Eternal Empire. That is what I will do, honor Darth Marr.

 

But Bioware, if you have really killed of Darth Marr, you will have a lot of unhappy players. I do not understand the need to kill of epic characters. I never have and I doubt I ever will understand that.

 

So to end this, my final conclusion. Darth Marr is...NOT dead. That is if you ask me.

Edited October 22, 2015 by AkeroStar

[Deshiel]

He is dead, his spirit even says it himself.

[Karkais]

 

Marr's force spirit appears to Satele Shan (alive) at a campfire in a non-descript forest. They discuss things.

 

 

C. And like I said earlier. The fact that Marr is seen as a force ghost. Couldnt that just mean that hes communicating with Satele using the force from far away? Or couldnt it be that its his only way to communicate from his carbonite prison?

Edited October 21, 2015 by Karkais

[Euphrosyne]

Darth Marr has always been my favorite Star Wars character ever, Im putting in my A game here to prove and argue that hes not dead.

 

Now those of us who have been in Valkorions throne room knows what happens. Specifically to Darth Marr. The greatest Sith and character in Star Wars History if you ask me.

 

Well, at least you're honest.

[AkeroStar]

He is dead, his spirit even says it himself.

 

Marr's force spirit appears to Satele Shan (alive) at a campfire in a non-descript forest. They discuss things.

 

I just added a link to the original post above to a youtube video where you can watch that scene where Darth Marr and Satele Shan speak by a campfire. Marr does not admit himself to be dead. He COULD be hinting towards it, I will admit that. With the sentence:

 

"Even when my life depended on it, I did not see him properly until it was to late..."

 

But, that could also just mean that he realised who Valkorion was when it was already to late to do anything about it. Because he was already a prisoner in Valkorions throne room surrounded by guards and Arcann. And what he means with the part "Even when my life depended on it". That could just mean if he had realised who Valkorion was sooner his life might have taken a different turn. The fact he refers to his life does not have to mean he means death. It could just be his way of life, or how he lives his life. A life can be many things. It can be a lifestyle, daily life or life and death.

Edited October 22, 2015 by AkeroStar

[Paulsutherland]

Maybe he's been "dead" from the start and now he's chosen to go "ghost mode"

[Rafaman]

Heh. I agree with the OP. We are not beating a dead horse here. lol

 

How do we know he is dead? That doesn't have to be a ghost. It could be a force projection. He maybe somewhere else. And let's not forget, Arcann likes to keep trophies. He could very well still be in carbonite.

 

No... there is much more to this. And, we had a few clues elsewhere that indicate we are not done with Marr. Clues that I can not discuss here.

 

No... we may in fact not find the definitive answer now, but it is time to look. There may be several permutations that bring Marr back.

[AkeroStar]

Maybe he's been "dead" from the start and now he's chosen to go "ghost mode"

 

From the start? Do you mean from the start of the FE? That he was just some illusion all along. Can you please elaborate?

 

Oh and I just thought of this. We, the player, were gonna die. Just hear me out.

 

Arcann distracted Valkorion, we killed him. His death lead to him jumping inside our mind. So logically the only way for Valkorion to jump in and out of bodies is if the one hes currently in dies. I mean that is the only way that is presented to us for Valkorion to be able to jump around in bodies. But, the producers cant just kill us, the players of. Then the story is over for good, game over. And online games have no end. So my point, I believe we will die, a real death, dead for real. BUT, we will come back to life. I mean in the future story we will hardly still be walking around with Valkorion inside our heads. He will go away somehow eventually. Not in Chapter X, I mean in the end of the FE story, or after the FE story.

 

So why do I bring this up when the topic is about Darth Marr and his true fate? Because, if we can die for real and come back to life to get Valkorion out of our minds. Then if Marr is really dead now he can also come back to life. For one hes also way more powerful then the Sith and Jedi players we play as.

 

The force is basically like magic. You can do like anything with it. Move objects, mind control. And if you have watched Star Wars Clone Wars, specifically the episodes that take place on Mortis really powerful force users can also shapeshift. The son turned into some demon bat and the daughter turns into some griffon. The power of the force is like limitless. You can do practically anything with it.

 

So my point is, even if Darth Marr is dead now, 100% dead. I believe we will die some point in the future to get Valkorion out of our heads. So obviously we will have to come back to life somehow, if we can come back to life so can Darth Marr.

 

I also just thought of this. It could be unlikely that now all of a sudden after 5 years Marr is appearing as a ghost looking figure from his carbonite prison. So maybe he is out of the prison now but unable to get to Satele and speak to her personally. So he uses the force to speak with her. A force projection, as Rafaman said.

 

Heh. I agree with the OP. We are not beating a dead horse here. lol

 

How do we know he is dead? That doesn't have to be a ghost. It could be a force projection. He maybe somewhere else. And let's not forget, Arcann likes to keep trophies. He could very well still be in carbonite.

 

No... there is much more to this. And, we had a few clues elsewhere that indicate we are not done with Marr. Clues that I can not discuss here.

 

No... we may in fact not find the definitive answer now, but it is time to look. There may be several permutations that bring Marr back.

 

And yes, I agree with you Rafaman.

 

Also, if Darth Marr predicts his own death then he would be ready for it. According to Wookieepedia he does predict his own death. He would know what would happen, who would kill him and such. He wasnt ready for what happened in the throne room, since he hadnt even realised who Valkorion was. So that could not be his true death.

 

Also Marr could have used Force Barrier to defend himself against the biggest blows of Valkorions lightning attack. But some still hit him since his armor was literally smoking and you could see some electricity moving around on/in him.

 

Darth Marr´s armor could have been made of a material that was resistant to electrical currents. So his armor would get hit and electrocuted. But it would not harm Darth Marr. So only the blast himself pushed him away, knocked him down and knocked him out.

 

“Darth Plagueis also implied that the users' abilities with Force Lightning would grow even stronger when subjected to their own attack.“

Couldnt that mean that Darth Marr would be able to resist Force Lightning and have built of a sort of biological defense to it? That hes less susceptible to being attacked by Force Lightning. Since Darth Marr is one of the Sith who can use Force Lightning. Over Darth Marr´s years he has very likely been attacked by Force Lightning before. So maybe after all this time hes built up a sort of resistance to being attacked by it.

 

Source:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_lightning

“Due to the fact that Force lightning was, at its core, simply electricity generated by the dark side, it could be grounded with any material that was resistant to electrical currents.“

Edited October 22, 2015 by AkeroStar

[cool-dude]

I don't really get Marr appearing as a force ghost. i thought Sith spirits could only linger near their graves and such. Actual force ghosts were strictly a light side thing. Am I wrong?

[AkeroStar]

I don't really get Marr appearing as a force ghost. i thought Sith spirits could only linger near their graves and such. Actual force ghosts were strictly a light side thing. Am I wrong?

 

If Darth Marr is really dead he could have learnt how to appear as a ghost/spirit. That power isnt Jedi only. Its something you learn.

 

However, if Marr isnt dead then I think its like Rafaman said and I have said. That hes just communicating with Satele using the force to project an image of himself. Because for whatever unkown reason he cant get to her in the flesh.d

[Ardim]

I refuse to believe Marr is dead. He just can't be. Really hope he comes back in the future.

[AkeroStar]

I refuse to believe Marr is dead. He just can't be. Really hope he comes back in the future.

 

So agreed. If that was his real death it was a monumental fiasco. Yes lets give one of the best characters in Star Wars history a 2 second death and the player cant do anything but stand there like an idiot and watch. -_-

[Ardim]

So agreed. If that was his real death it was a monumental fiasco. Yes lets give one of the best characters in Star Wars history a 2 second death and the player cant do anything but stand there like an idiot and watch. -_-

 

Seriously! I wouldn't have mind if it was in an incredibly epic way, like sacrificing himself to destroy the Fleet or some other heroic moment. But instead, we just had a few Knights and a single blast of lightning that wasn't even very impressive. -_-

 

On the upside, it does give me fuel to resist Valkorion's temptations and attempted manipulations, considering he does actually make some reasonable points. But I don't care; Marr is gone and the Empire will rise again once I have my revenge . That moment when he blasted Marr shall be his single fatal mistake.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Ardim

[AkeroStar]

Seriously! I wouldn't have mind if it was in an incredibly epic way, like sacrificing himself to destroy the Fleet or some other heroic moment. But instead, we just had a few Knights and a single blast of lightning that wasn't even very impressive. -_-

 

On the upside, it does give me fuel to resist Valkorion's temptations and attempted manipulations, considering he does actually make some reasonable points. But I don't care; Marr is gone and the Empire will rise again once I have my revenge . That moment when he blasted Marr shall be his single fatal mistake.

 

Yup I know, I agree, besides one point. Ive made a huge post on the 1st page here. It has many arguments why hes not dead. How he could have survived and such. Until Bioware announces that hes dead for real and not coming back to life I shall continue to argue and prove that hes alive. Or if hes dead will come back to life.

[Karkais]

So agreed. If that was his real death it was a monumental fiasco. Yes lets give one of the best characters in Star Wars history a 2 second death and the player cant do anything but stand there like an idiot and watch. -_-

 

He was killed by Vitiate. Who would you rather have been the killer if not the most powerful being in the galaxy?

 

I think there are too many fanboys here... Force ghost has always been a sign of death, and becoming one with the force. Has worked for Obi-Wan, Anakin, Lord Kalliq, Lord Ergast, Kalatosh Zavros, Horak-Mul, Ajunta Pall in KOTOR, XoXaan, Karness Muur and several others in EU. etc etc. If youre a force ghost, youre dead.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Karkais

[Ardim]

Yup I know, I agree, besides one point. Ive made a huge post on the 1st page here. It has many arguments why hes not dead. How he could have survived and such. Until Bioware announces that hes dead for real and not coming back to life I shall continue to argue and prove that hes alive. Or if hes dead will come back to life.

 

Yeah I read them and they're pretty sound. Well until then, thank you for fighting the good fight

[AkeroStar]

Yeah I read them and they're pretty sound. Well until then, thank you for fighting the good fight

 

Ardim Id hate for Darth Marr to be dead for real, so yup I shall continue fighting.

 

He was killed by Vitiate. Who would you rather have been the killer if not the most powerful being in the galaxy?

 

I think there are too many fanboys here... Force ghost has always been a sign of death, and becoming one with the force. Has worked for Obi-Wan, Anakin, Lord Kalliq, Lord Ergast, Kalatosh Zavros, Horak-Mul, Ajunta Pall in KOTOR, XoXaan, Karness Muur and several others in EU. etc etc. If youre a force ghost, youre dead.

 

Karkais your saying that the proof that Darth Marr is dead is because he is seen as a ghost. But that argument has already been countered. That could just have been Marr using the force to project an image of himself from somewhere else. Maybe he cant get to Satele so hes using the force to speak with her. Marr doesnt say that hes dead, no one does. Only the Outlander because that is what were suppose to believe. Jedi and Sith can communicate with each other using the force, here is a quote that supports my theory.

 

"Every Force user, Jedi or Sith, was potentially able to use this ability. The range of telepathy itself is theoretically infinite, but the telepath must be able to sense the presences of those they wish to contact. Thus, communicating with non-Force-sensitives became nearly impossible over distances greater than a handful of kilometers, and the typical upper limit for Force-sensitives was approximately 1,000 kilometers. However, individuals who either shared a biological relationship or a particularly strong emotional bond were known to communicate across far greater ranges. In extreme cases (such as the twin bond between Jacen and Jaina Solo), the link apparently had no spacial limit."

 

Now I know Darth Marr and Satele were not exactly best friends. But they are both extremly strong in the force. Which could explain how Darth Marr could communicate with Satele from example another planet. And that he did not have to be dead to do so.

 

Link to quote above:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Telepathy

 

To show you how Marr could have survived Im just going to copy paste what I said before.

 

"If Darth Marr predicts his own death then he would be ready for it. According to Wookieepedia he does predict his own death. He would know what would happen, who would kill him and such. He wasnt ready for what happened in the throne room, since he hadnt even realised who Valkorion was. So that could not be his true death.

 

Also Marr could have used Force Barrier to defend himself against the biggest blows of Valkorions lightning attack. But some still hit him since his armor was literally smoking and you could see some electricity moving around on/in him.

 

Darth Marr´s armor could have been made of a material that was resistant to electrical currents. So his armor would get hit and electrocuted. But it would not harm Darth Marr. So only the blast himself pushed him away, knocked him down and knocked him out.

 

“Darth Plagueis also implied that the users' abilities with Force Lightning would grow even stronger when subjected to their own attack.“

Couldnt that mean that Darth Marr would be able to resist Force Lightning and have built of a sort of biological defense to it? That hes less susceptible to being attacked by Force Lightning. Since Darth Marr is one of the Sith who can use Force Lightning. Over Darth Marr´s years he has very likely been attacked by Force Lightning before. So maybe after all this time hes built up a sort of resistance to being attacked by it.

 

So when Valkorion attacked him, maybe Darth Marr was just knocked out and possibly injured. So, nope I still stand by that I believe hes alive. Either on some planet or in carbonite prison.

 

Source:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_lightning

“Due to the fact that Force lightning was, at its core, simply electricity generated by the dark side, it could be grounded with any material that was resistant to electrical currents.“

Edited October 22, 2015 by AkeroStar

[DAWUSS]

So agreed. If that was his real death it was a monumental fiasco. Yes lets give one of the best characters in Star Wars history a 2 second death and the player cant do anything but stand there like an idiot and watch. -_-

 

Seems to be a recurring theme for Imperial characters in SWTOR.

[SithKoriandr]

Seems to be a recurring theme for Imperial characters in SWTOR.

 

If that's the case, then people have low expectations of great imperial characters. Malgus for instance, was not great

[Newyankalt]

If Darth Marr is really dead he could have learnt how to appear as a ghost/spirit. That power isnt Jedi only. Its something you learn.

 

However, if Marr isnt dead then I think its like Rafaman said and I have said. That hes just communicating with Satele using the force to project an image of himself. Because for whatever unkown reason he cant get to her in the flesh.d

Are you sure?? I thought it was confirmed you had to be strong in the light side to become a ghost, if you watched some of the final episodes in "The Clone Wars" TV show, Yoda goes to learn the secret and it seems like again you have to be strong in the light from the questions they asked him.

 

 

There is probably other ways to become a ghost but it's always light side characters that have the ability to not be restricted. Revan, The Exile, Orgus Din, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin (Was redeemed), Luke all come to mind. Sith never have the full ability to travel around.

[Deshiel]

Ajunta pall was no longer following the light when he became a ghost.

[Newyankalt]

Ajunta pall was no longer following the light when he became a ghost.

 

He was a ghost that was guarding his tomb, sith can stay around where they're buried. All the ghosts the inquisitor bounds follow this rule as well

[AkeroStar]

Are you sure?? I thought it was confirmed you had to be strong in the light side to become a ghost, if you watched some of the final episodes in "The Clone Wars" TV show, Yoda goes to learn the secret and it seems like again you have to be strong in the light from the questions they asked him.

 

 

There is probably other ways to become a ghost but it's always light side characters that have the ability to not be restricted. Revan, The Exile, Orgus Din, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin (Was redeemed), Luke all come to mind. Sith never have the full ability to travel around.

 

I knew someone would comment on that. I checked into the ability Qui-Gon Jinn first learns and then tells Yoda how to learn and so on.

 

This is taken from Wookieepedia.

"Qui-Gon Jinn was the first of the recent Jedi who rediscovered this secret with the assistance of a shaman of the Whills. Qui-Gon's spirit guided Yoda (Leading him to meet the five priestess) and Obi-Wan Kenobi and revealed to them the secret of retaining one's individuality after becoming one with the Force. Yoda during his exile taught it to another Jedi Master, Qu Rahn. The Dark Woman also learned of it at some point."

 

But Qui-Gon Jinn only rediscovered this ability. Someone else in the era of the Old Republic had already discovered it. Arca Jeth who died 3997 BBY was the first to discover this ability. He was alive around the time of Revan, in game time 300 years ago. Ingame the year is right now 3640 BBY. A following quote.

 

"Ancient Jedi of the Galactic Republic such as Arca Jeth, as well as Sith Lords, knew a secret which could enable the user's essence to "survive death", but this knowledge was somehow lost over the millennia. "

 

And there we go. Ancient Star Wars history proving that the ability to be a force ghost was first discovered 300 years ago ingame. So around Knights Of The Old Republic. And Sith Lords knew that power as well. And yes, it sais it was lost over the millennia, but 300 years is only 1/3 of a millennia.

 

But back to Darth Marr, I still do not think that this ghost figure we see him as is a ghost figure at all. And please dont make me repeat myself for the like third time. Just read my many previous posts how I believe and argue that Darth Marr being seen like that could just be a sort of projected image of himself using the force.

 

Source for the Force Ghost topic: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_ghost

 

Ajunta pall was no longer following the light when he became a ghost.

 

Deshiel some Sith only have the ability to linger as ghosts around their tombs. So its a limited version of what for example Obi-Wan had.

Edited October 22, 2015 by AkeroStar

[Karkais]

Karkais your saying that the proof that Darth Marr is dead is because he is seen as a ghost. But that argument has already been countered.

 

You are welcome to think whatever you want.. While at it, would you like to take bets?

 

Sith never have the full ability to travel around.

 

Lord Kalliq? Iirc he appeared on SI ship before the learning of the forcewalking? Im not sure though since I generally avoid SI story.

Quote from wikipedia:

Venturing out of the temple, Kallig warned his descendant of these developments, implying that Zash sought to replace her first apprentice.

 

Revan? Vader/Anakin (ep6)?

 

Also Tulak Hord's spirit appears on Yavin 4 despite him dying and being entombed on Korriban.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Karkais

[MissyMI]

There is probably other ways to become a ghost but it's always light side characters that have the ability to not be restricted. Revan, The Exile, Orgus Din, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin (Was redeemed), Luke all come to mind. Sith never have the full ability to travel around.

But that can't be right if Marr's spirit can appear to Satele on a different planet from where he was killed. He was a true believer in the dark side, definitely not the light. Perhaps Satele summoned him to her for some reason?