Thermal Sensor Override Instantly Removed

[MillionsKNives]

Sometimes when I use Thermal Sensor Override it's removed in the exact same moment that it's applied, and has absolutely no effect. This is in IO on my Merc.

 

Posting combat log snippets. These were each from different nights.

 

I activate Power Shot, queue up Thermal Sensor Override, and follow up with Death From Above.

 

[22:14:04.254] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Power Shot {814274259714048}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[22:14:04.451] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [burning (Incendiary Missile) {2027022700249344}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1722* elemental {836045448940875}) <1292>
[22:14:04.523] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [serrated Shot {3394707791020032}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (2061* energy {836045448940874}) <1545>
[22:14:04.523] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [serrated Shot {3394707791020032}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (99 energy {836045448940874}) <74>
[22:14:04.874] [@Duqu] [@Ruki] [Roaming Mend {3401283385950208}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Roaming Mend {3401283385950208}] ()
[22:14:04.875] [@Ikaras] [@Ruki] [Twisted Force {3210247535591424}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Resistant {3210247535591686}] ()
[22:14:04.875] [@Duqu] [@Ruki] [Twisted Force {3210247535591424}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Resistant {3210247535591686}] ()
[22:14:04.876] [@Duqu] [@Ruki] [Roaming Mend {3401283385950208}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Heal {836045448945500}] (6038) <2717>
[22:14:05.055] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [supercharged Burn {3401291975885091}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1250 elemental {836045448940875}) <937>
[22:14:05.173] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (4017 kinetic {836045448940873}) <3013>
[22:14:05.174] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] ()
[22:14:05.268] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [burning {2020687623487746}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (622 elemental {836045448940875}) <466>
[22:14:05.269] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [Combustible Gas Cylinder {2020687623487488}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Burning {2020687623487746}] ()
[22:14:05.569] [Tamper Deterrent Device {3507407732867072}:2270005520832] [@Ruki] [stop That! {3513227413553152}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (695 energy {836045448940874}) <695>
[22:14:05.666] [@Duqu] [@Ruki] [Roaming Mend {3401283385950208}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Roaming Mend {3401283385950208}] ()
[22:14:05.666] [@Duqu] [@Ruki] [Roaming Mend {3401283385950208}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Heal {836045448945500}] (6461) <2907>
[22:14:05.989] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [] [spend {836045448945473}: energy {836045448938503}] (15)
[22:14:05.989] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [supercharge {3401326335623168}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Supercharge {3401326335623168}] ()
[22:14:05.989] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [innovative Particle Accelerator {3408219758133248}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Innovative Particle Accelerator {3408219758133248}] ()
[color=red][b][22:14:05.989] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[22:14:05.989] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] ()
[22:14:05.990] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] ()[/b][/color]
[22:14:05.991] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [Combustible Gas Cylinder {2020687623487488}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Burning {2020687623487746}] ()
[22:14:05.991] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [burning {2020687623487746}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (622 elemental {836045448940875}) <467>
[22:14:06.089] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [supercharged Burn {3401291975885091}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1251 elemental {836045448940875}) <938>
[22:14:06.479] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [Power Shot {814274259714048}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (2282 energy {836045448940874}) <1712>
[22:14:06.479] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [Power Shot {814274259714048}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (430* energy {836045448940874}) <323>
[22:14:06.564] [Tamper Deterrent Device {3507407732867072}:2270005520832] [@Ruki] [stop That! {3513227413553152}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (695 energy {836045448940874}) <695>
[22:14:06.786] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [incendiary Missile {2027022700249088}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Assailable (Mental) {2027022700249408}] ()
[22:14:06.881] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Death from Above {814201245270016}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[22:14:07.085] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [bleeding {3394707791020290}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1105 internal {836045448940876}) <828>
[22:14:07.085] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [supercharged Burn {3401291975885091}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (2187* elemental {836045448940875}) <1640>
[22:14:07.510] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [burning (Incendiary Missile) {2027022700249344}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (986 elemental {836045448940875}) <739>
[22:14:07.512] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [] [spend {836045448945473}: energy {836045448938503}] (5)

 

 

I activate Power Shot, queue up Thermal Sensor Override, and follow up with Unload.

 

[21:49:04.047] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Power Shot {814274259714048}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[21:49:04.246] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:43552001462201] [burning (Incendiary Missile) {2027022700249344}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (986 elemental {836045448940875}) <739>
[21:49:04.278] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:43552001462201] [serrated Shot {3394707791020032}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1076 energy {836045448940874}) <807>
[21:49:04.278] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:43552001462201] [serrated Shot {3394707791020032}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (93 energy {836045448940874}) <70>
[21:49:04.458] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [ {3443094892576768}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Eliminator's Damage Bonus {3443094892577026}] ()
[21:49:04.535] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [supercharged Gas {3401291975884800}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Supercharged Gas {3401291975884800}] ()
[21:49:04.636] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:43552001462201] [Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (8038* kinetic {836045448940873}) <6029>
[21:49:04.636] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:43552001462201] [Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] ()
[21:49:04.944] [Tamper Deterrent Device {3507407732867072}:43552001541858] [@Ruki] [stop That! {3513227413553152}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (705 energy {836045448940874}) <705>
[21:49:05.140] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:43552001462201] [burning {2020687623487746}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1001* elemental {836045448940875}) <750>
[21:49:05.140] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:43552001462201] [Combustible Gas Cylinder {2020687623487488}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Burning {2020687623487746}] ()
[21:49:05.762] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [] [spend {836045448945473}: energy {836045448938503}] (15)
[21:49:05.762] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [innovative Particle Accelerator {3408219758133248}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Innovative Particle Accelerator {3408219758133248}] ()
[color=red][b][21:49:05.762] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[21:49:05.762] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] ()
[21:49:05.763] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] ()[/b][/color]
[21:49:05.763] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:43552001462201] [Combustible Gas Cylinder {2020687623487488}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Burning {2020687623487746}] ()
[21:49:05.763] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:43552001462201] [burning {2020687623487746}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (573 elemental {836045448940875}) <429>
[21:49:05.983] [Tamper Deterrent Device {3507407732867072}:43552001541858] [@Ruki] [stop That! {3513227413553152}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (695 energy {836045448940874}) <695>
[21:49:05.984] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [unload {814312914419712}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[21:49:05.984] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [ {3482209159741440}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Eliminator's Critical Bonus {3482209159741704}] ()
[21:49:05.984] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [] [spend {836045448945473}: energy {836045448938503}] (6)

 

 

I activate Power Shot, queue up Thermal Sensor Override, and follow up with Unload.

 

[23:44:23.668] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Power Shot {814274259714048}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[23:44:23.774] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:41668004544562] [burning (Incendiary Missile) {2027022700249344}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (969 elemental {836045448940875}) <726>
[23:44:24.388] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:41668004544562] [serrated Shot {3394707791020032}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1906* energy {836045448940874}) <1429>
[23:44:24.388] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:41668004544562] [serrated Shot {3394707791020032}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (88 energy {836045448940874}) <66>
[23:44:24.468] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:41668004544562] [supercharged Burn {3401291975885091}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (2149* elemental {836045448940875}) <1611>
[23:44:24.468] [Torque {3468710077530112}:41668004544562] [@Ruki] [Floor Vents {3406488886312960}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (6856 elemental {836045448940875}) <6856>
[23:44:24.661] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:41668004544562] [Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (3913 kinetic {836045448940873}) <2935>
[23:44:24.661] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:41668004544562] [Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] ()
[23:44:24.976] [Tamper Deterrent Device {3507407732867072}:41668004590199] [@Ruki] [stop That! {3513227413553152}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (695 energy {836045448940874}) <695>
[23:44:25.292] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [] [spend {836045448945473}: energy {836045448938503}] (15)
[23:44:25.292] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [supercharge {3401326335623168}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Supercharge {3401326335623168}] ()
[23:44:25.293] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [innovative Particle Accelerator {3408219758133248}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Innovative Particle Accelerator {3408219758133248}] ()
[color=red][b][23:44:25.293] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[23:44:25.293] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] ()
[23:44:25.294] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] ()[/b][/color]
[23:44:25.468] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:41668004544562] [supercharged Burn {3401291975885091}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1230 elemental {836045448940875}) <922>
[23:44:25.469] [Torque {3468710077530112}:41668004544562] [@Ruki] [Floor Vents {3406488886312960}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (6856 elemental {836045448940875}) <6856>
[23:44:25.899] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [unload {814312914419712}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[23:44:25.899] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [] [spend {836045448945473}: energy {836045448938503}] (6)

 

 

I activate Power Shot, queue up Thermal Sensor Override, and follow up with Unload.

 

[21:29:49.850] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Power Shot {814274259714048}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[21:29:50.356] [@Ruki] [Quartermaster Bulo {3468705782562816}:28853000213456] [serrated Shot {3394707791020032}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (994 energy {836045448940874}) <994>
[21:29:50.356] [@Ruki] [Quartermaster Bulo {3468705782562816}:28853000213456] [serrated Shot {3394707791020032}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (0 -miss {836045448945502}) <1>
[21:29:50.457] [@Ikaras] [@Ruki] [Revivification {808703687131136}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Heal {836045448945500}] (572)
[21:29:50.458] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [supercharged Gas {3401291975884800}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Supercharged Gas {3401291975884800}] ()
[21:29:50.549] [@Ruki] [Quartermaster Bulo {3468705782562816}:28853000213456] [Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (7597* kinetic {836045448940873}) <7597>
[21:29:50.549] [@Ruki] [Quartermaster Bulo {3468705782562816}:28853000213456] [Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] ()
[21:29:51.175] [@Ruki] [Quartermaster Bulo {3468705782562816}:28853000213456] [burning {2020687623487746}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (581 elemental {836045448940875}) <581>
[21:29:51.176] [@Ruki] [Quartermaster Bulo {3468705782562816}:28853000213456] [Combustible Gas Cylinder {2020687623487488}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Burning {2020687623487746}] ()
[21:29:51.393] [@Ikaras] [@Ruki] [Revivification {808703687131136}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Heal {836045448945500}] (572)
[21:29:51.464] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [] [spend {836045448945473}: energy {836045448938503}] (15)
[21:29:51.464] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [innovative Particle Accelerator {3408219758133248}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Innovative Particle Accelerator {3408219758133248}] ()
[color=red][b][21:29:51.464] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[21:29:51.464] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] ()
[21:29:51.465] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] ()[/b][/color]
[21:29:51.549] [@Ikaras] [@Ruki] [Roaming Mend {3401283385950208}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Roaming Mend {3401283385950208}] ()
[21:29:51.550] [@Duqu] [@Ruki] [Twisted Force {3210247535591424}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Resistant {3210247535591686}] ()
[21:29:51.550] [@Ikaras] [@Ruki] [Twisted Force {3210247535591424}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Resistant {3210247535591686}] ()
[21:29:51.551] [@Ikaras] [@Ruki] [Roaming Mend {3401283385950208}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Heal {836045448945500}] (10831*)
[21:29:51.791] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [unload {814312914419712}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[21:29:51.791] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [] [spend {836045448945473}: energy {836045448938503}] (6)

 

[Zharik]

While it is a bug that TSO is getting removed by abilities that do not have a cast time (channels like Unload and DFA and instants), there is a work around... use TSO right before you use the ability you want to insta-cast, like Power Shot or Serrated Bolt.

[MillionsKNives]

While it is a bug that TSO is getting removed by abilities that do not have a cast time (channels like Unload and DFA and instants), there is a work around... use TSO right before you use the ability you want to insta-cast, like Power Shot or Serrated Bolt.

 

TSO is the one that removes the heat cost. Power Surge is the one that removes the cast time.

[MillionsKNives]

To do a little testing on this today I went to my ship and did some parses against the dummy.

 

I did a parse where one fight I did my normal rotation, and I was able to reproduce it every single time. If I queued up TSO after Power Shot it would always bug. If I hit it when Power Shot ended it didn't. It also didn't bug if I didn't do a rotation or anything and all I did was activate a Power Shot on the dummy and queue up TSO, then hit Unload.

 

I put the whole log into a paste bin. It's all against the dummy. http://pastebin.com/vmaxNdJ7

[Zharik]

TSO is the one that removes the heat cost. Power Surge is the one that removes the cast time.

 

Yeah I don't know why I thought otherwise... but what I wrote does in fact apply to PS. Sorry for the confusion.

 

Oh and just so you know, TSO should be used immediately after Mag Shot and before Unload after your opener so the following Thermal Detonator (optional based on heat) can be used. Then pretty much on CD in the same spot before unload to help maximize heat.