Kaggath Battlegrounds Final: Republic Resistance vs Imperial Droid Division

[Silenceo]

So I was considering that RI might contact Sian Tevv's resistance fighters on Sullust and get them to reveal IDD information, potentially RI units already on Sullust could create a trap in Sullustan shipyards before Trench even arrives. Infact it would be most beneficial for Sullust if Tevv took over completely with RR support and then Trench will find himself between a rock and a hard place.

 

Tossing out a few rules I am curious as to parts of the Kaggath.

 

Since this only says capital ships, I guess that means fighters can be re-stocked?

 

#41 While naval forces do still exist, shipyards (if you have any) can only repair, they cannot resupply. Fleet numbers are therefore static; note that this only applies to capital ships.

 

 

Off topic, but what happened to this one?

 

#60 The number of vehicles available will not be specified, and instead will be left vague and open to debate – loosely based on relevant standard vehicle support numbers in lore.

 

 

No resistance present, yay! Or at least, their leader...

 

#81 Any definable factions or prominent individuals affiliated with or based within your territory will not be present in the Kaggath, for the purpose of argument they do not exist.

 

 

 

Commerce Guild has its own army and defense fleet. Both of them were defense forces only.

 

#85 Judicial authorities do exist regardless of how advanced or expansive, but they cannot leave the planet and can only be used in self-defence if the enemy were to attack etc.

 

 

The IDD has a huge excess of credits. They would like to make some purchases. Such as emplacements.

 

#86 Commercial markets including the black market do exist and are in operation, but cannot be used to procure fleets, armies or anything other than weapons in large quantities. The faction will also require the necessary amounts of credits to make purchases.

 

 

A nice little boost from Sullust.

 

#93 All additional resources in given territories specified in rules #81-87 will be available to the faction. However all privatised companies within the specified territories do exist and are owned by the faction in control of the territory. Private individuals remain independent.

 

 

Rule supporting Inquisitor use, and spells trouble for RI.

 

#94 In regards to supplier and organisation worlds, rule #78 applies. And all procurable resources aside from judicial forces can be transported to the battleground.

 

#78 The capital world acts as the base of operations for your faction Leadership and will be where they will all be initially located and will be the centre of your factions HoloNet hub that governs and process all communications among your factions territories. If this planet is lost you risk losing access to the HoloNet and/or having your factions communications tracked.

 

 

Issues with relocation of RI

 

#95 Suppliers and organisation are also capable of annexing facilities on the selected world i.e. occupying a factory or operating from a military base – and in the instance that their base is lost they are capable of relocating to this planet – but they can go nowhere else.

 

 

 

So in essence, Sian Tevv is NOT present, and while it is iffy if the resistance is, it is unlikely to be effective due to the heavy judicial forces the Commerce Guild are known to have on the planet. On top of that, there have been 2 Inquisitors stationed on Sullust since the start of the previous match, which no doubt means they have had plenty of time to track down dangerous resistance members. That, and they would serve as a huge obstacle for any traps that would be set on Sullust.

 

So basically it boils down to there unlikely to be much of a resistance present to help right at the start, enemy agents likely routed out a while ago due to long Inquisitor presence, and the fact that the Commerce Guild quite literally has an army of its own already on the ground.

Edited May 17, 2015 by Silenceo

[Aurbere]

Hmm.

 

I wonder when RR supporters will realize that they have already countered IG's hacking strategies by virtue of the faction itself...

 

*coughing fit*

 

Come on, RR supporters, I don't want to spell it out here, lest people figure it out before you do.

[ShadowMudkip]

*coughing fit*

 

Come on, RR supporters, I don't want to spell it out here, lest people figure it out before you do.

 

[LadyKulvax]

*coughing fit*

 

Come on, RR supporters, I don't want to spell it out here, lest people figure it out before you do.

 

I'm afraid I know little about IG-88 myself but if you want to help out here and be nuetral I'd definitely appreciate it.

[Beniboybling]

Tossing out a few rules I am curious as to parts of the Kaggath.

Impressive, most impressive. That is how its done.

 

However you've taken some rules from Classic Mode there, those do not apply.

[LadyKulvax]

Something else I have been pondering is that Nova Troopers simply aren't the type to shut down systems like IG did, I suspect that Nek lays a trap or more likely a series of traps for when the mysterious invader returns such as ray shields, emergency lockdowns and power outages. Once Nek and the RI goes over the Imperious' black box and finds out what really happened they will hunt him not the other way around.

 

Again however I question just how well the IDD would repel an assault, with an Acclamator they could launch a direct surprise overhead attack on the IDD HQ and simply swarm with numbers. The RI could quite easily narrow down the main HQ base in the midst of the city and use a behind enemy lines assault directly on them, this tactic would apply the full strength of the RR on one series of buildings, not across an entire city.

 

Even if the RI itself cannot locate Jerec, Nomi Sunrider definitely can, as the attack commences she can telepathically assault Jerec at great range. Aleema Keto was a powerful sorceress and specialised in mental warfare, but despite this and the aid of her own meditation chamber to channel her power she was rendered nearly unconcsious by Nomi's telepathic attack, despite the fact Nomi was in space at the time. This tactic would be especially effective in keeping Jerec defenseless whilst Windu or Nomi herself tracks down and kills him.

[LadyKulvax]

According to Dark Rendezvous, the Republic faced hacking before and developed counter-measures against it, Republic Intelligence likely spent very large amounts of resources fighting off CIS hacking attempts constantly. This should provide the RR with the ability to halt hacking attempts by IG-88 and defend themselves from further attempts. Better yet traps placed in computer systems could prove to be extremely effective against him.

 

Thanks to Aurbere for the suggestion.

[Beniboybling]

Again however I question just how well the IDD would repel an assault, with an Acclamator they could launch a direct surprise overhead attack on the IDD HQ and simply swarm with numbers. The RI could quite easily narrow down the main HQ base in the midst of the city and use a behind enemy lines assault directly on them, this tactic would apply the full strength of the RR on one series of buildings, not across an entire city.

 

Even if the RI itself cannot locate Jerec, Nomi Sunrider definitely can, as the attack commences she can telepathically assault Jerec at great range. Aleema Keto was a powerful sorceress and specialised in mental warfare, but despite this and the aid of her own meditation chamber to channel her power she was rendered nearly unconcsious by Nomi's telepathic attack, despite the fact Nomi was in space at the time. This tactic would be especially effective in keeping Jerec defenseless whilst Windu or Nomi herself tracks down and kills him.

An interesting strategy... it should be noted though that the both factions are only aware of the identity of the enemies supplier/organisation, not there HQ. So the Republic Resistance are going to have to work out exacltly where the Inquisitorius are based, and they don't have that information in their databanks.

[raandomname]

According to Dark Rendezvous, the Republic faced hacking before and developed counter-measures against it, Republic Intelligence likely spent very large amounts of resources fighting off CIS hacking attempts constantly. This should provide the RR with the ability to halt hacking attempts by IG-88 and defend themselves from further attempts. Better yet traps placed in computer systems could prove to be extremely effective against him.

 

Thanks to Aurbere for the suggestion.

Yet the Empire that succeeded the Republic was utterly incapable of protecting their most valueable assets from IG-88's hacking. Honestly comparing CIS hacking to IG-88 hacking is like comparing a McDonalds burger to a three star steak.

[Beniboybling]

Yet the Empire that succeeded the Republic was utterly incapable of protecting their most valueable assets from IG-88's hacking. Honestly comparing CIS hacking to IG-88 hacking is like comparing a McDonalds burger to a three star steak.

Mmmm, steak.

[Wolfninjajedi]

What exactly has the CIS done as far as hacking wise that would put them even remotely to 88?

 

88 was able to get into the Executor's main computer files without any technician being the wiser, plus he was faster than the ship's computers, which normally would have prevented any intrusion to the systems.

[Silenceo]

Impressive, most impressive. That is how its done.

 

However you've taken some rules from Classic Mode there, those do not apply.

 

Blast, which ones do you mean? I merely ask because I thoought all the ones mentioned were either under battleground or were referenced by rulings in battleground.

 

Also, the Inquisitorious still knows where the RI HQ on Coruscant is, correct?

[Selenial]

What exactly has the CIS done as far as hacking wise that would put them even remotely to 88?

 

88 was able to get into the Executor's main computer files without any technician being the wiser, plus he was faster than the ship's computers, which normally would have prevented any intrusion to the systems.

 

Hacking utility droids.

 

Get on their level, IG.

[StarSquirrel]

Wolf and randomname have both already said it but I'll repeat it

 

The Empire succeeded the Republic, and therefore would have used the same tech for computer defence. And yet IG-88 hacked it quite effectively. In fact he hacked their most secure infrastructure, tech, and military secrets...

 

And as has been asked, what hacking feats that are comparable to IG-88's has the CIS managed to conduct?

 

If this was what Aurbere was alluding to,

[Wolfninjajedi]

Wolf and randomname have both already said it but I'll repeat it

 

The Empire succeeded the Republic, and therefore would have used the same tech for computer defence. And yet IG-88 hacked it quite effectively. In fact he hacked their most secure infrastructure, tech, and military secrets...

 

And as has been asked, what hacking feats that are comparable to IG-88's has the CIS managed to conduct?

 

If this was what Aurbere was alluding to,

 

Why would the Empire use outdated computer defenses?

[StarSquirrel]

Why would the Empire use outdated computer defenses?

Well obviously they'd have improved it. But of course if they already have a brand-new (relatively) system in place they'd be most likely to upgrade it than try something totally new.

[LadyKulvax]

Difference being that the Empire had no real idea that he was hacking their systems, on the other hand the RR does know they are being hacked by someone good enough to take down ships with their skill. The entirety of RI vs IG-88, what they can do is to set a form of motion detection grid up on the RR fleet so when someone dies try to hack them instantly the power grid fails and the ship goes on lockdown, followed by other measures. Then once again we bring into play the RI's Director, he fought off CIS hacking attempts on the Holonet with impunity and managed a system that locked them out, something he was constantly adapting.

 

One other scenario I thought of is, Windu is going to remember plenty about Trench, as well as the blockade of christophsis(?), would he not consider using Trench's own anti-stealth tactic against the IDD?

Edited May 17, 2015 by LadyKulvax

[ShadowMudkip]

Just want to throw out some points before my sub expires tomorrow and i cant resub till later this week.

 

The RR is bound to get some type of support from the citizens of Corellia. Unlike the lsat match vs the Republic Reborn, there will be no question as to what faction a free people will choose to side with. Additionally, on this part, the RR can get secret underground tunnel routes from the Selonians that reside their, who btw, were noted to be very against Imperial occupation of any kind.

 

One issue the IDD might have, is that their base is in incorporation islands, the only way on or off would be by tram or shuttle. While this makes for a great defense, it limits the amount of troops that can transported on the trams. IIRC, the dark trooper varients 2 and especially 3 were kinda bulky, which would limit how many you could move on a tram meant for human sized people.

 

Also question for Beni, would heads of corporations exist if they were unnamed generic people? Also, would these heads keep any assets they had?

[Silenceo]

Just want to throw out some points before my sub expires tomorrow and i cant resub till later this week.

 

The RR is bound to get some type of support from the citizens of Corellia. Unlike the lsat match vs the Republic Reborn, there will be no question as to what faction a free people will choose to side with. Additionally, on this part, the RR can get secret underground tunnel routes from the Selonians that reside their, who btw, were noted to be very against Imperial occupation of any kind.

 

One issue the IDD might have, is that their base is in incorporation islands, the only way on or off would be by tram or shuttle. While this makes for a great defense, it limits the amount of troops that can transported on the trams. IIRC, the dark trooper varients 2 and especially 3 were kinda bulky, which would limit how many you could move on a tram meant for human sized people.

 

Also question for Beni, would heads of corporations exist if they were unnamed generic people? Also, would these heads keep any assets they had?

 

While that is true in most sectors of the space, since this is not a RR controlled planet, the Incorporation Islands are loyal to the IDD as per Kaggath rules. That said, all throughout the Imperial Corellian story line, we see people side with the Imperials when it fit their needs, or more specifically, many of the rich corporations, politicians, and such who sought advantage. Saying it is all one sided population wise for the RR would be a mistake.

 

As for the Selonians, they would not immediately be a factor as the RR would not know of them or their tunnels until after the battle has already begun. RI no doubt would find them quickly and ask for their aid, but it still would not be set from the moment that match started. That said, the IDD could likely locate them quicker since corporations in the Corporate Islands are likely to know at least some of their entrances. This would not be immediate either.

 

Now with THAT said, the Selonians were getting massacred by regular run of the mill Imperial troops, and their morale was shot quite rapidly. The same effect would happen even quicker against Dark Troopers. Nor are Selonians fighters, generals, or even that numerous. They have tunnels through the city, yes, but beyond that they are not much help.

 

As for the limited entry into the Corporation Islands, that is much more a advantage than a disadvantage. The RR has the same limitation unless they want to severely risk their forces in an air assault, and the trams are easy to ambush with superior firepower. To top it off, both PII and PIII have jetpacks that allow them to forgo the trams and move as they wish, which in a city scape with such movement restrictions, can have a larger effect than people may think.

 

For example, the IDD could destroy the tram system and have their vehicles play a defensive role, and they would still be free to attack while the RR would be severely hampered. If the RR were to lose space, they would have no way to get to the Corporation Islands.

 

Side Note: Using the rules that allow Factions to purchase weapons if they have the credits *Jerec alone could foot this entire part of the bill easily* the IDD would likely have brought gun emplacements to make use of in the Corporation Islands. Things such as AA, Turrets, scanners, mines, and such could easily of come with the IDD landing force.

Edited May 17, 2015 by Silenceo

[Beniboybling]

Also question for Beni, would heads of corporations exist if they were unnamed generic people? Also, would these heads keep any assets they had?

No privatized industries I'm afraid, however there is a lot of industry and factories that can be taken over.

 

But remember folks, the Corellian government still exist, and they have yet to choose a side...

Edited May 17, 2015 by Beniboybling

[Silenceo]

No privatized industries I'm afraid, however there is a lot of industry and factories that can be taken over.

 

But remember folks, the Corellian government still exist, and they have yet to choose a side...

 

So, if those factories were told to produce, say... Z-501 Droids for the IDD?

 

After all, they were used last match as snipers and, well...

Edited May 17, 2015 by Silenceo

[LadyKulvax]

Whilst corrupt politicians and CEOs can be bought out, the Corellians as a people have always maintained an anti-Imperial stance, they suffered greatly at the hands of the CIS also. thousands if not tens of ghousands of potential allies in the right places could be crippling for IDD secrecy, RI is an excessively rich organisation... KDY far more so.

 

The general situation as Corellians know it is this:

 

The RR engaged and defeated the IDD in a space battle, the IDD fleet retreated.

The RR is being supplied daily by the largest production company in galactic history.

The IDD supplies are coming once a week at best, assuming they pass the RR fleet.

The RR heavily outnumbers the IDD on the surface.

The RR has no plans of conquering Corellia and wishes to only liberate it.

The IDD wants to conquer it and proves it's oppressive stance every time a citizen is threatened over anything.

The RR's supplier KDY is offering multi-billion credit contracts for local corporations to side with them.

Jerec will demonstrate himself as unstable and likely insane every time he talks to the Corellian people.

Mace Windu and Nomi Sunrider are excellent diplomats and politicians, their voices will carry far more weight.

The RR will be evacuating Corellian citizens from warzones, Dark Troopers have no such care and will kill with indifference.

 

The RR should have a large majority of local support at hand, the RR does not need any Corellians to take up arms and fight(though experienced volunteers would be accepted), instead all RR needs is information, trading information for safety would be nothing really.

 

If RR can get even a few excellent smugglers who know Corellia very well, a lot of backdoors to incorporation island would appear, that is all the Jedi need for a small strike team led by Windu to be successful. With Nomi's ability to track his presence and nullify/immobilise him then it's all academic from them on. Jerec will not survive a direct confrontation.

[Silenceo]

Whilst corrupt politicians and CEOs can be bought out, the Corellians as a people have always maintained an anti-Imperial stance, they suffered greatly at the hands of the CIS also. thousands if not tens of ghousands of potential allies in the right places could be crippling for IDD secrecy, RI is an excessively rich organisation... KDY far more so.

 

The general situation as Corellians know it is this:

 

The RR engaged and defeated the IDD in a space battle, the IDD fleet retreated.

The RR is being supplied daily by the largest production company in galactic history.

The IDD supplies are coming once a week at best, assuming they pass the RR fleet.

The RR heavily outnumbers the IDD on the surface.

The RR has no plans of conquering Corellia and wishes to only liberate it.

The IDD wants to conquer it and proves it's oppressive stance every time a citizen is threatened over anything.

The RR's supplier KDY is offering multi-billion credit contracts for local corporations to side with them.

Jerec will demonstrate himself as unstable and likely insane every time he talks to the Corellian people.

Mace Windu and Nomi Sunrider are excellent diplomats and politicians, their voices will carry far more weight.

The RR will be evacuating Corellian citizens from warzones, Dark Troopers have no such care and will kill with indifference.

 

The RR should have a large majority of local support at hand, the RR does not need any Corellians to take up arms and fight(though experienced volunteers would be accepted), instead all RR needs is information, trading information for safety would be nothing really.

 

If RR can get even a few excellent smugglers who know Corellia very well, a lot of backdoors to incorporation island would appear, that is all the Jedi need for a small strike team led by Windu to be successful. With Nomi's ability to track his presence and nullify/immobilise him then it's all academic from them on. Jerec will not survive a direct confrontation.

 

A few things on what the people will know.

 

- Most people are not so in the loop...

- There is only a week delay for the first IDD shipment, then they will be just about as common as RR

- IDD can make elaborate use of hyperspace pods, for delivery or for offensive

- Drop pods tend to emerge very close to the atmosphere are very hard to intercept

- KDY is not the only extremely rich organization here... Jerec alone can match that offer, let alone Commerce Guild

- On the contrary, it could be spun that the IDD is only here for the Jedi, as Inquisitors are known to pursue

- Many people blame the wars on Jedi and might sympathize

- Jerec is experienced at political games and often did well in the Imperial Palace's political intrigue

- Jerec is actually extremely charismatic... It is one of his defining features.

- KDY and Sullustian Shipyards are known competitors...

- Stop with the *heavily* outnumbered shtick, it simply is not true. Outnumbered, yes, but not heavily.

- Even civilians could see the difference in troop quality

- Remember the Imperial Doctrine, how most people do not have a mind for numbers... Perfect example of DT

 

 

Kind of curious, but what sort of factories does Kuat have? Mostly curious as I thought I remembered the planet itself not having factories, and instead focusing on ships with their shipyard. I could of sworn they used Rothana for ground units... But as I said, I am curious and I am sure I forgot some source.

 

Interesting...

 

"In 4 ABY, concurrent to the Battle of Endor, the Alliance occupied the shipyards. In an attempt to prevent either the Alliance or the Empire from taking over, Kuat of Kuat attempted to blow the yards up, although he was only partially successful, the full explosion being halted by Boba Fett.[13]"

 

Matter of fact, I do not see any ground vehicle or even droid production facilities mentioned once on the wiki page...

 

Imports:

 

Electronics[2]

Machinery[2]

Raw materials[2]

 

Major exports

 

Starships[2]

Luxury goods[2]

Alcohol[2]

Art[2]

Food[2]

 

They have the schematics and such, sure, but where is the factory! The closest that is referred to, is "machinery"... machinery = / = vehicles of war.

 

I didn't even go to that page to look for this, but hey, thought I might as well bring it up...

 

As for the population:

 

- IDD does not want or even ask the population to take up arms

- IDD does ask them to not aid the Jedi fugitives and to stay clear of battle zone

- What information *other than perhaps the tunnels* would they give?

- Who on your side is good at finding smugglers? Or that smugglers trust? From the looks of it, bad career move...

- Back doors onto Incorporation Island, sure, but none of the possible HQ locations have back doors... There is a front door however that has some shiny guards! Go on, say hello! /sarcasm

 

In regards to attacking Jerec:

 

- While not Darth Vader or such, he isn't a sack of potatoes you know... nor would he be alone...

- Desann, as has been mentioned many times, is using a DT suit, and has had 2 previous matches to get used to it

- Jerec himself saps enemy force users powers with his mere presence (for the normal JK)

- Jerec's presence can NOT be tracked for multiple reasons

-- Either he is using the common Inquisitor ability to mask it

-- Or, he is as he is in combat, and his presence is a cloud, not a point

-- If the cloud is tracked, not too accurate, nor does it allow for mind attacks since location is uncertain

- Unlike most Jedi Strike missions, the units defending the target are not weak... Enough said...

- Cousin of Mr. Abomination is another Inquisitorious Dark Trooper. Desann still knows how to charge him up...

 

*Sigh* getting drawn in again... Is it too much to ask for a day off? :p

Edited May 18, 2015 by Silenceo

[StarSquirrel]

*sits in corner while Sil realizes why Star chose Rothana over KDY...*

 

"So, uh... yeah... KDY didn't build anything on Kuat as far as we know... this has been discussed iirc."

 

*returns to corner, muttering incomprehensible curses to multi-planetary corporations and their diversification of assets*

[CheaterLL]

All Terrain Armored Transport

Production information

Manufacturer

Kuat Drive Yards[1]

Imperial Department of Military Research[1]

Imperial Robotics Construction Facility Ice Station Beta[2]

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/at-at