StarSquirrel Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Personally yes because I know the Mangaguards and commando droid's are going to go after them so I'll prefer a separate force to protect them thank you. Ok, well... I can bring the full complements of 2 Jehavey'ir Assault Ships as well. That's 1,000 Mandalorian soldiers, 40 AT-MPs, 500 YVH droids, and 500 Basilisk War Droids on top of the force listed previously. That should thoroughly deter the CIS from those SPMAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) It still looks like this is going to be rough on you Jarons to be honest. Star's troops will keep your SPMA's safe, but this is going to be a long battle, further considering they have the "secret caves" opened up there may be a few men that get hit behind the lines and break your formations a couple times... This is still going to be a hard earned fight. YOu will definately come out on top, but I get the sense its still going to hurt... They are much more prepared this time then they were last... Edited March 27, 2015 by tunewalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karadron Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 It still looks like this is going to be rough on you Karadron to be honest. Star's troops will keep your SPMA's safe, but this is going to be a long battle, further considering they have the "secret caves" opened up there may be a few men that get hit behind the lines and break your formations a couple times... This is still going to be a hard earned fight. YOu will definately come out on top, but I get the sense its still going to hurt... They are much more prepared this time then they were last... Um...you mean Jaron right? I wasn't aware I was in a battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Um...you mean Jaron right? I wasn't aware I was in a battle. Ya I dont know why i did that, sorry talking to 2 different people at the same time... my bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarSquirrel Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) It still looks like this is going to be rough on you Karadron to be honest. Star's troops will keep your SPMA's safe, but this is going to be a long battle, further considering they have the "secret caves" opened up there may be a few men that get hit behind the lines and break your formations a couple times... This is still going to be a hard earned fight. YOu will definately come out on top, but I get the sense its still going to hurt... They are much more prepared this time then they were last... Here's the thing I see Jarons has going for him. (in relation to the above post) Me. A little conceited I'll admit, but while he'll probably suffer on the front lines my forces are extremely mobile allowing his forces to focus their attention forward while I deal with rearguard and strike at the potential surprises. If anyone gets behind his lines, I'll have a few hundred Mando-riding Basilisks on their *** inside a minute. Also note: X-83s with corvette-level shields and enough ordnance to level a city are flying around overhead as well... Edited March 27, 2015 by StarSquirrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) Here's the thing I see Jarons has going for him. (in relation to the above post) Me. A little conceited I'll admit, but while he'll probably suffer on the front lines my forces are extremely mobile allowing his forces to focus their attention forward while I deal with rearguard and strike at the potential surprises. If anyone gets behind his lines, I'll have a few hundred Mando-riding Basilisks on their *** inside a minute. Ya but Inside that minute is what I am talking about, it will be won dont get me wrong, but I dont think this will be fast OR easy in any way. You guys will prevail, his forces WILL take more casualties then yours simply because of the jobs they are preforming AND because the enemy is VERY prepared for his kind of tactics. Im not saying he will lose or that he will lose a large MAJORITY of his forces, just that it wont be easy and a large amount will be hit, maybe not a Majority, but its still not going to feel good. Edit: to your note, careful they HAVE Anti-air equipment, those are going to be needed to be taken down first, and that is honestly part of where the pain is going to really be happening, its probably going to hurt trying to take those guns... Edited March 27, 2015 by tunewalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarSquirrel Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Edit: to your note, careful they HAVE Anti-air equipment, those are going to be needed to be taken down first, and that is honestly part of where the pain is going to really be happening, its probably going to hurt trying to take those guns... Does he want them intact? Cause X-83s have proton torpedoes, troll shields, and the fighters are unmatched in atmospheric maneuverability... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Does he want them intact? Cause X-83s have proton torpedoes, troll shields, and the fighters are unmatched in atmospheric maneuverability... No, but using a Aircraft to try to take down ANTI-Aircraft is just asking for Dead Aircraft and Dead Pilots.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarons Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Ok, well... I can bring the full complements of 2 Jehavey'ir Assault Ships as well. That's 1,000 Mandalorian soldiers, 40 AT-MPs, 500 YVH droids, and 500 Basilisk War Droids on top of the force listed previously. That should thoroughly deter the CIS from those SPMAs. That should be more then enough to keep them away thanks star but am need a price as well am sure I have more then enough for you but still like to know beforehand so I can have the calculations done. It still looks like this is going to be rough on you Jarons to be honest. Star's troops will keep your SPMA's safe, but this is going to be a long battle, further considering they have the "secret caves" opened up there may be a few men that get hit behind the lines and break your formations a couple times... This is still going to be a hard earned fight. YOu will definately come out on top, but I get the sense its still going to hurt... They are much more prepared this time then they were last... I agree with you am sure I will win the war but its going to be a hard one I see myself losing a lot of my ground force soldiers not Vehicles they should be fine.I will be rebuilding my ground forces for a few days but am sure my guys will hold the line and regroup Plus were going to collapse the caves sooner or later once we see what's happening so I only seeing this plan working with B1 a handful of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarSquirrel Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 No, but using a Aircraft to try to take down ANTI-Aircraft is just asking for Dead Aircraft and Dead Pilots.... Again, or atmosphere, the X-83 was also unmatched in maneuverability The fighter's shields were comparable to those of a transport or light frigate, and were able to absorb a good deal of fire before they failed. Its hull, too, was stronger than those of most shuttles It would be suicide in any other ship. Also Proton Torpedoes mean that my fighters are in harms way for a minimal amount of time. Note: I have Tech 2 Starfighter Combat as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Again, It would be suicide in any other ship. Also Proton Torpedoes mean that my fighters are in harms way for a minimal amount of time. Note: I have Tech 2 Starfighter Combat as well. And all of the things that it just mentioned get One Shot by AA emplacements, so the statement still stands, going at AA from the Air is asking for certain death to the pilots who take that foolish path. I am WELL aware of those fighters capabilities but I am also aware of what happens when some one tries to hit AA guns with Freighters or even Corvettes, they track well enough to hit fighters and have enough fire power to seriously damage Frigates in most cases, Using a fighter size craft is a fools errand, REGARDLESS of how good the fighter is. It is called ANTI-air for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarSquirrel Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) And all of the things that it just mentioned get One Shot by AA emplacements, so the statement still stands, going at AA from the Air is asking for certain death to the pilots who take that foolish path. I am WELL aware of those fighters capabilities but I am also aware of what happens when some one tries to hit AA guns with Freighters or even Corvettes, they track well enough to hit fighters and have enough fire power to seriously damage Frigates in most cases, Using a fighter size craft is a fools errand, REGARDLESS of how good the fighter is. It is called ANTI-air for a reason. The hell kind of AA emplacements do you think they have? They've been there for a week Tune... lol It takes a lot longer than that to set up guns big enough to bring down corvettes, especially since they were prepping against the Kamino assault most of that time... Edited March 27, 2015 by StarSquirrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) The hell kind of AA emplacements do you think they have? They've been there for a week Tune... lol ANY kind of AA gun could do this, I have never seen an AA gun that couldnt easily bring down Freighters in one shot.... or easily track the flight of a Fighter if you could find me one that would be nice, but I have Never heard of Air Craft taking out Anti- Air emplacements ever. (I think you are under estimating how long a week is...) Edit: especially since A LOT of CIS Anti-Air has to do with Missiles which wont give 2 shakes about the shields, and that means a fighter of that size just WONT have what it takes to with stand a hit from it. I have NO IDEA why any one would WANT to take out AA guns with Aircraft. Edited March 27, 2015 by tunewalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarSquirrel Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) ANY kind of AA gun could do this, I have never seen an AA gun that couldnt easily bring down Freighters in one shot.... or easily track the flight of a Fighter if you could find me one that would be nice, but I have Never heard of Air Craft taking out Anti- Air emplacements ever. (I think you are under estimating how long a week is...) Turbolasers can't bring down corvettes in a single shot, nor can they bring down most freighters either... Now there are ground based weapons that work wonders against space-craft but even most of those don't 1-shot them, but anti-air weapons are for dealing with things like Speeders, gunships, and some fighters. Also I'd like an example of a anti-air gun with this great tracking taking down a corvette... I'm seriously intrigued. (Also I think you're forgetting where most of their focus was... this is also not a very important place either.) I'd also like to point out that, properly equipped, Rouge squadron wiped the floor with a Lancer-class frigate. Those are fighters attacking an anti-fighter ship with the very ships it was designed to stop and kicking its *** without losing a ship. There. Edited March 27, 2015 by StarSquirrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarons Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) ANY kind of AA gun could do this, I have never seen an AA gun that couldnt easily bring down Freighters in one shot.... or easily track the flight of a Fighter if you could find me one that would be nice, but I have Never heard of Air Craft taking out Anti- Air emplacements ever. (I think you are under estimating how long a week is...) Edit: especially since A LOT of CIS Anti-Air has to do with Missiles which wont give 2 shakes about the shields, and that means a fighter of that size just WONT have what it takes to with stand a hit from it. I have NO IDEA why any one would WANT to take out AA guns with Aircraft. Well the original plan was to sneak in and take out the Anti air first with my heavy troopers on speeders before we start the rest of the assault.That what I was thinking. Edited March 27, 2015 by Jarons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarSquirrel Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Well the original plan was to sneak in and take out the Anti air first with my heavy troopers on speeders before we start the rest of the assault.That what I was my plan. Yeah I more or less joking about it, but when Tune said I couldn't I felt a desire to see where the debate went. So yeah, in case Sil sees this I'm not actually proposing to attack AA positions with X-83s and said as much when I introduced them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) Turbolasers can't bring down corvettes in a single shot, nor can they bring down most freighters either... Now there are ground based weapons that work wonders against space-craft but even most of those don't 1-shot them, but anti-air weapons are for dealing with things like Speeders, gunships, and some fighters. Also I'd like an example of a anti-air gun with this great tracking taking down a corvette... I'm seriously intrigued. (Also I think you're forgetting where most of their focus was... this is also not a very important place either.) http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-aircraft_gun http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/AAC-1_speeder_tank http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/All_Terrain_Anti-Aircraft I am pretty sure any of these can do it... (my issue is using something against something SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO KILL IT, Its like I am going to beat your Raid Bug spray by sending thousands of bugs at it... WHAT that didnt work how could I have known that your Bug spray designed to kill bugs could kill my bugs... what ever will I do....) and again, make a note of what a majority of those have in common.... MISSILES they dont give 2 shakes about how strong your shields are, if you are freighter size or smaller your gone...) ( you arent wedge... or Rouge squad.. .thats like fighter tactics and Piloting and several others Rank 5, + character traits of Rank 8-10 fighter skills, we are so far away from that its not even funny) Edited March 27, 2015 by tunewalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarSquirrel Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) Edit: eh, The whole thing was pointless anyway so better to remove it and not antagonize Tune. Oh, and this is mute point since Jarons already had the guns covered. I was just screwing around I'm waiting for Sil to get back on. Sorry if I wasted your time Tune Edited March 27, 2015 by StarSquirrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarons Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Ok so finally battle Plan The battle will consist of multiple stages with stage one being my heavy troopers on speeder bikes attacking the Anti-Aircraft emplacements so I can bring in my Nemesis-class gunship to carpet bomb the canyon to kill any vehicles visible and hopefully destroy the minefield so my men can travel through the canyon unhindered.Stage two will deal with the the STAP my AAC-2 Hovertank (basically anti air tanks) will create a no fly zone for the CIS. Then I will deal with the HAG (still part of stage 2) which are extremely vulnerable to fast moving vehicles so my TX-130T Fighter Tank amd 2-M Saber-Class Tank well be very effective against them so they shouldn't be a problem for long in the battle.Stage three will consist of me setting up my SPMA in a location they can bomb the CIS position which will be protected by Star and his skilled men.from commando's and any other droids who might want to be foolish enough to attack their position. Finally Stage 4 is the ground battle my vehicles e(AT-AT,Canderous-class assault tanks,T4-B Heavy tank,TX-130T Fighter Tank, 2-M Saber-Class Tank AT-ST) will combat their MTT and AAT. Finally on the remainder of the ground forces my Men will use the Droideka foot soldiers strategy as before but I will split my army into two separate groups one coming from the north and the other on the south with Nemesis providing close air support and scouting for enemy positions in case of flanking and to collapse that cave entrances. Things to note: Will be using Amphibious interstellar Assault Transport/Infantry HAVw A6 Juggernaut to transport troops. Amphibious interstellar Assault Transport/Infantry are being escorted by Star fighters. Having help from the Mando werda mercenary company. Will use my men knowledge of the terrain to our advantage. Using speeder bikes to scout and for hit and run attacks. Moral boost being the first Planet under the Coalition protection soldiers are fighting twice as hard to reclaim it. Star is protecting our Rear with his Basilisks. Adrian is i command and is coordinating the battle. Side note:Star if their anything you want to add let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarSquirrel Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Ok so finally battle Plan The battle will consist of multiple stages with stage one being my heavy troopers on speeder bikes attacking the Anti-Aircraft emplacements so I can bring in my Nemesis-class gunship to carpet bomb the canyon to kill any vehicles visible and hopefully destroy the minefield so my men can travel through the canyon unhindered.Stage two will deal with the the STAP my AAC-2 Hovertank (basically anti air tanks) will create a no fly zone for the CIS. Then I will deal with the HAG (still part of stage 2) which are extremely vulnerable to fast moving vehicles so my TX-130T Fighter Tank amd 2-M Saber-Class Tank well be very effective against them so they shouldn't be a problem for long in the battle.Stage three will consist of me setting up my SPMA in a location they can bomb the CIS position which will be protected by Star and his skilled men.from commando's and any other droids who might want to be foolish enough to attack their position. Finally Stage 4 is the ground battle my vehicles e(AT-AT,Canderous-class assault tanks,T4-B Heavy tank,TX-130T Fighter Tank, 2-M Saber-Class Tank AT-ST) will combat their MTT and AAT. Finally on the remainder of the ground forces my Men will use the Droideka foot soldiers strategy as before but I will split my army into two separate groups one coming from the north and the other on the south with Nemesis providing close air support and scouting for enemy positions in case of flanking and to collapse that cave entrances. Things to note: Will be using Amphibious interstellar Assault Transport/Infantry HAVw A6 Juggernaut to transport troops. Amphibious interstellar Assault Transport/Infantry are being escorted by Star fighters. Having help from the Mando werda mercenary company. Will use my men knowledge of the terrain to our advantage. Using speeder bikes to scout and for hit and run attacks. Moral boost being the first Planet under the Coalition protection soldiers are fighting twice as hard to reclaim it. Star is protecting our Rear with his Basilisks. Adrian is i command and is coordinating the battle. Side note:Star if their anything you want to add let me know. Actually this is quite a solid plan... even considering... yeah pretty good plan. Lets hope this works. *crosses fingers* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarons Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Actually this is quite a solid plan... even considering... yeah pretty good plan. Lets hope this works. *crosses fingers* Thank you but even considering what. *Crosses fingers* Lets take back Gall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) Actually this is quite a solid plan... even considering... yeah pretty good plan. Lets hope this works. *crosses fingers* Edited March 27, 2015 by Silenceo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarons Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Am no longer confident in my plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raandomname Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 You guys are really underestimating the Juggernaughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarons Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 You guys are really underestimating the Juggernaughts. Why you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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