oofalong Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) I have updated my compendium and model for 3.0 as before they live as google docs as it is easier for me to maintain and update and it provides more formatting options. There are a few specific things I want to call attention to: Core Rotation: Unlike 2.X this spec now has a very prescribed and static rotation; the dynamism from this spec has been removed. To be clear, this spec now plays very differently.Alacrity is very good now. You will want 1 or 2 Alacrity enhancements (and potentially a few Alacrity augments although I am less confident in this recommendation at the moment.)Resource generation is now very limited although it should be enough for our rotation, but rotational mistakes are potentially costly and compounding.Set Bonuses: Our old 4-piece (and 2-piece) set bonuses are very strong still. Generally speaking, you won't want to break your old 4-piece Set Bonus until you have the pieces for the new 4-piece Set Bonus. Also, if you have the old 4-piece Set Bonus tier 186 keep it intact until you get at least the new 192 6-piece bonus. I am fairly confident in everything in the model and compendium although I am sure there are typos and formula errors somewhere. As these became known I will correct/fix them. Edited January 20, 2015 by oofalong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_mK Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Very nice. One question on set bonus? Does the new 2-piece/old 4-piece apply only to watchman, or does it apply to combat and concentration too? Also does is just the 192 or the 198 also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) One question on set bonus? Does the new 2-piece/old 4-piece apply only to watchman, or does it apply to combat and concentration too? Also does is just the 192 or the 198 also? As far as at what tiers the old set bonus makes sense, I think it does still for 192, but at some point as you gear up to 198 it will make sense to switch to the new 6-piece. In any event, we are talking about <3% DPS differences, which will be undetectable on a given parse. I am going to edit my first post and the compendium to: Generally speaking, you won't want to break your old 4-piece Set Bonus until you have the pieces for the new 4-piece Set Bonus. Also, if you have the old 4-piece Set Bonus tier 186 keep it intact until you get at least the new 192 6-piece bonus. I haven't studied the other specs enough to know for certain, but based on some quick math for Fury | Concentration it appears to mirror the Anni | Watchman recommendation. Edited January 20, 2015 by oofalong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardarell_Solo Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) Great work and very helpful as always, Oofalong, thanks so much for your effort! I'm also still testing optimal gear. I had been seeing a decrease in DPS with power augments versus pri stat augments in the early days of 3.0 when I was using the cheap blue ones, but I haven't tested that in full 192s again. As far as rotation goes, I think there are a variety of possible sequences, as long as you use the right abilities. Opener will always either delay one of the two Dots for one GCD or clip one of them. I chose to delay Cauterize rather than Force Melt, as it's the weaker Dot. It also gets Force Melt right before Merciless, which I find helpful in raids, as it gives you the chance to close a gap to your target using Melt from 10m and then be in range for Merciless. On the other hand in your version you can always use Force Melt when it lights up right after the third Merciless, which is easier to manage. I also have a focus builder between Merciless and Master Strike, potentially also a gap closer if it's Leap, which I again find beneficial prior to Master Strike in raiding situations with lots of moving targets. Cheers and thx again! Edited January 22, 2015 by Ardarell_Solo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlacJac Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Hi oofalong i was waiting for your update about this spec so thanks for it. I found watchman 3.0 more difficult then pre-patch and i can't improve my dps more then 4.3-4.4k. Currently i'm full 192 with 1 186 enhanc and i have the same gear you raccomended in your model. This is a parse http://torparse.com/view.php?tid=07fad82ca28911e4bc4d002590d9d1b8 (without adrenal and inspiration) can you tell me please where i'm doing wrong and how improve it? thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyovarde Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I can't get over 3600. http://i.imgur.com/vXvvpdf.png http://i.imgur.com/GZ5Sk97.png Stats are http://imgur.com/hWQeRSR I have over 800 accuracy since I don't have the companion bonus (not entirely sure how you even get it for that matter >.>) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 Hi oofalong i was waiting for your update about this spec so thanks for it. I found watchman 3.0 more difficult then pre-patch and i can't improve my dps more then 4.3-4.4k. Currently i'm full 192 with 1 186 enhanc and i have the same gear you raccomended in your model. This is a parse http://torparse.com/view.php?tid=07fad82ca28911e4bc4d002590d9d1b8 (without adrenal and inspiration) can you tell me please where i'm doing wrong and how improve it? thanks again Until Torparse adds back in the ability to see the actual log, I am not sure how much help I can be. To start, typically the number one thing I see is inefficiencies in activating abilities. That is, there may be 1.55s or more between attacks. This is quite crippling when you are trying to squeeze out that last 5% of damage, and often it is beyond the player's control (except for upgrading your PC and/or connection). Still based on the summary info I noticed a couple of things: First, you mentioned you went with the gear my model recommends, but did you use the rotation it recommends?There were 58 hits from Master Strike, which implies 10 uses although it also implies you clipped it and did not get the last hit which is the biggest. The other alternative is that the target dummy died mid-Master Strike.There were only 10 uses of Twin Saber Throw based on the fight length there could have 13 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 I have over 800 accuracy since I don't have the companion bonus (not entirely sure how you even get it for that matter >.>) First off, reach max affection with Lord Scourge and complete all conversations with him. This should provide you a legacy-wide +1% Accuracy. I can't get over 3600. http://i.imgur.com/vXvvpdf.png http://i.imgur.com/GZ5Sk97.png Stats are http://imgur.com/hWQeRSR Until Torparse is fully operational or you can post a log of your parse it is too difficult to troubleshoot parses based on the summary info. Also, parsing on the 500k dummy won't really make your DPS higher as we don't benefit that much from Dispatch and we have a bit of ramp-up time where we aren't doing max damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyovarde Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Here's the log from a 3650 parse. 17:58:34.730 You activate Force Leap 17:58:35.606 You activate Overload Saber 17:58:36.324 You activate Zealous Strike 17:58:37.838 You activate Cauterize 17:58:39.332 You activate Merciless Slash 17:58:40.944 You activate Force Melt 17:58:42.555 You activate Master Strike 17:58:45.558 You activate Zen 17:58:45.848 You activate Twin Saber Throw 17:58:47.370 You activate Force Leap 17:58:48.069 You activate Overload Saber 17:58:48.872 You activate Cauterize 17:58:50.471 You activate Strike 17:58:52.003 You activate Strike 17:58:53.534 You activate Merciless Slash 17:58:55.023 You activate Zealous Strike 17:58:56.646 You activate Strike 17:58:58.251 You activate Strike 17:58:59.755 You activate Force Leap 17:58:59.967 You activate Overload Saber 17:59:01.283 You activate Cauterize 17:59:02.822 You activate Merciless Slash 17:59:04.415 You activate Force Melt 17:59:05.997 You activate Master Strike 17:59:09.413 You activate Merciless Slash 17:59:11.057 You activate Zealous Strike 17:59:11.730 You activate Overload Saber 17:59:12.698 You activate Cauterize 17:59:13.574 You activate Zen 17:59:14.170 You activate Twin Saber Throw 17:59:16.131 You activate Merciless Slash 17:59:17.538 You activate Force Leap 17:59:19.050 You activate Strike 17:59:20.839 You activate Strike 17:59:22.493 You activate Merciless Slash 17:59:24.079 You activate Force Melt 17:59:24.293 You activate Overload Saber 17:59:25.620 You activate Cauterize 17:59:27.211 You activate Master Strike 17:59:30.374 You activate Merciless Slash 17:59:32.015 You activate Twin Saber Throw 17:59:33.619 You activate Force Leap 17:59:35.118 You activate Strike 17:59:36.630 You activate Merciless Slash 17:59:36.632 You activate Overload Saber 17:59:38.141 You activate Cauterize 17:59:39.024 You activate Zen 17:59:39.639 You activate Zealous Strike 17:59:41.419 You activate Strike 17:59:42.804 You activate Merciless Slash 17:59:44.306 You activate Force Melt 17:59:45.967 You activate Force Leap 17:59:47.583 You activate Strike 17:59:49.167 You activate Overload Saber 17:59:49.389 You activate Merciless Slash 17:59:50.871 You activate Cauterize 17:59:52.729 You activate Twin Saber Throw 17:59:54.166 You activate Strike 17:59:55.765 You activate Merciless Slash 17:59:57.364 You activate Master Strike 18:00:00.575 You activate Zealous Strike 18:00:02.068 You activate Merciless Slash 18:00:02.168 You activate Overload Saber 18:00:03.668 You activate Cauterize 18:00:05.181 You activate Force Melt 18:00:05.569 You activate Zen 18:00:06.879 You activate Force Leap 18:00:08.485 You activate Merciless Slash 18:00:10.172 You activate Strike 18:00:11.677 You activate Strike 18:00:13.289 You activate Strike 18:00:14.897 You activate Merciless Slash 18:00:15.311 You activate Overload Saber 18:00:16.423 You activate Cauterize 18:00:17.905 You activate Twin Saber Throw 18:00:19.676 You activate Dispatch 18:00:21.327 You activate Merciless Slash 18:00:22.908 You activate Force Melt 18:00:24.520 You activate Force Leap 18:00:26.092 You activate Zealous Strike 18:00:27.791 You activate Merciless Slash 18:00:28.027 You activate Overload Saber 18:00:29.561 You activate Cauterize 18:00:29.564 You activate Zen 18:00:31.089 You activate Master Strike 18:00:34.188 You activate Merciless Slash 18:00:35.707 You activate Dispatch 18:00:37.321 You activate Force Leap 18:00:38.817 You activate Twin Saber Throw 18:00:40.639 You activate Merciless Slash 18:00:41.234 You activate Overload Saber 18:00:42.149 You activate Force Melt 18:00:43.752 You activate Cauterize 18:00:45.253 You activate Zealous Strike 18:00:46.877 You activate Merciless Slash 18:00:48.358 You activate Dispatch 18:00:49.869 You activate Master Strike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurkina Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Soooooo after the opener, there are 6 groups of merciless + 2-3 other skills in a very specific order ... and if you mess up the sequence even by a single attack you run out of focus, DoTs drop and/or you lose your stacks? Is this seriously viable in an ops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share Posted January 25, 2015 Soooooo after the opener, there are 6 groups of merciless + 2-3 other skills in a very specific order ... and if you mess up the sequence even by a single attack you run out of focus, DoTs drop and/or you lose your stacks? Is this seriously viable in an ops? Basically, yes, after the opener there 4 GCD blocks that always start with Merciless. The order really isn't as specific as you might think although the important thing is to not reapply DoTs prematurely and to be consistent in your ability usage so stuff comes off CD right as you want to re-use it. The order I selected is based on using our biggest hitting abilities as soon as possible. In an actual operation the resource is a little more forgiving assuming you have Rebuke up. Plus, there are very few times, if any, where you will lose your stacks of Merciless at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 Here's the log from a 3650 parse. It looks like your rotation could use some work. There are times where you are close to the right sequences, but often something goes wrong. For instance, there is a sequence about 2mins into the fight where you go: Merciless Slash > Strike > Strike > Strike > Merciless Slash This simply shouldn't happen if you are using the proper rotation. It means you are missing out on more important abilities as well as delaying DoT applications. You are losing a lot of time between ability activations. With no Alacrity the standard GCD is 1.5s, yet your average time to activate the next ability is 1.588. This contributes to a 6% loss in DPS at least. Depending on your lag you may want to adjust your ability queue time, and/or practice clicking the buttons faster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyovarde Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Okay, I'm pushing 4k now with 2 piece 192 and mainly crap 186/192 gear. My APM is slightly higher, but I'm running into issues trying to activating abilities too quickly and instead they end up not activating at all and the rotation breaks down ever so slightly. 23:35:49.966 You activate Force Leap 23:35:51.451 You activate Merciless Slash 23:35:53.055 You activate Zealous Strike 23:35:53.532 You activate Overload Saber 23:35:54.684 You activate Cauterize 23:35:56.210 You activate Force Melt 23:35:56.307 You activate Zen 23:35:57.706 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:35:59.307 You activate Strike 23:36:00.843 You activate Strike 23:36:02.665 You activate Force Leap 23:36:04.251 You activate Merciless Slash 23:36:05.649 You activate Overload Saber 23:36:07.062 You activate Cauterize 23:36:08.943 You activate Zealous Strike 23:36:10.538 You activate Strike 23:36:12.141 You activate Strike 23:36:13.654 You activate Merciless Slash 23:36:15.252 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:36:17.159 You activate Force Melt 23:36:17.974 You activate Overload Saber 23:36:18.783 You activate Cauterize 23:36:20.465 You activate Merciless Slash 23:36:21.755 You activate Zen 23:36:21.952 You activate Master Strike 23:36:25.151 You activate Force Leap 23:36:26.658 You activate Merciless Slash 23:36:28.185 You activate Zealous Strike 23:36:29.762 You activate Strike 23:36:30.070 You activate Overload Saber 23:36:31.399 You activate Cauterize 23:36:32.901 You activate Merciless Slash 23:36:34.387 You activate Force Melt 23:36:35.867 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:36:37.402 You activate Force Leap 23:36:39.005 You activate Merciless Slash 23:36:40.518 You activate Strike 23:36:42.110 You activate Strike 23:36:42.515 You activate Overload Saber 23:36:43.634 You activate Cauterize 23:36:45.125 You activate Merciless Slash 23:36:45.214 You activate Zen 23:36:46.634 You activate Master Strike 23:36:49.839 You activate Zealous Strike 23:36:51.719 You activate Merciless Slash 23:36:53.062 You activate Force Melt 23:36:54.566 You activate Force Leap 23:36:54.672 You activate Overload Saber 23:36:56.074 You activate Cauterize 23:36:57.561 You activate Merciless Slash 23:36:59.049 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:37:00.551 You activate Strike 23:37:02.062 You activate Strike 23:37:03.558 You activate Merciless Slash 23:37:05.056 You activate Master Strike 23:37:08.217 You activate Overload Saber 23:37:08.937 You activate Cauterize 23:37:10.037 You activate Zen 23:37:10.541 You activate Merciless Slash 23:37:12.034 You activate Force Melt 23:37:13.568 You activate Zealous Strike 23:37:15.030 You activate Force Leap 23:37:16.558 You activate Merciless Slash 23:37:18.044 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:37:19.650 You activate Strike 23:37:20.847 You activate Overload Saber 23:37:21.153 You activate Cauterize 23:37:22.853 You activate Merciless Slash 23:37:24.350 You activate Master Strike 23:37:27.543 You activate Force Leap 23:37:29.151 You activate Merciless Slash 23:37:30.650 You activate Force Melt 23:37:32.146 You activate Zealous Strike 23:37:32.546 You activate Overload Saber 23:37:34.031 You activate Cauterize 23:37:35.532 You activate Zen 23:37:36.538 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:37:38.060 You activate Merciless Slash 23:37:39.545 You activate Force Leap 23:37:41.038 You activate Strike 23:37:42.644 You activate Strike 23:37:44.360 You activate Merciless Slash 23:37:44.560 You activate Overload Saber 23:37:45.961 You activate Cauterize 23:37:47.462 You activate Master Strike 23:37:50.658 You activate Merciless Slash 23:37:52.253 You activate Force Melt 23:37:53.759 You activate Zealous Strike 23:37:55.363 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:37:56.941 You activate Merciless Slash 23:37:57.021 You activate Overload Saber 23:37:58.677 You activate Cauterize 23:37:59.832 You activate Zen 23:38:00.038 You activate Force Leap 23:38:01.701 You activate Strike 23:38:03.239 You activate Merciless Slash 23:38:04.731 You activate Strike 23:38:06.241 You activate Master Strike 23:38:09.398 You activate Merciless Slash 23:38:10.416 You activate Overload Saber 23:38:10.931 You activate Cauterize 23:38:12.424 You activate Force Melt 23:38:14.026 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:38:15.642 You activate Merciless Slash 23:38:17.149 You activate Zealous Strike 23:38:18.828 You activate Force Leap 23:38:20.424 You activate Strike 23:38:22.036 You activate Merciless Slash 23:38:22.936 You activate Overload Saber 23:38:23.549 You activate Cauterize 23:38:24.532 You activate Zen 23:38:25.346 You activate Master Strike 23:38:28.550 You activate Merciless Slash 23:38:30.062 You activate Force Melt 23:38:31.541 You activate Strike 23:38:33.091 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:38:34.819 You activate Merciless Slash 23:38:35.097 You activate Overload Saber 23:38:36.302 You activate Zealous Strike 23:38:37.796 You activate Cauterize 23:38:39.494 You activate Force Leap 23:38:41.019 You activate Merciless Slash 23:38:42.702 You activate Strike 23:38:44.207 You activate Master Strike 23:38:47.411 You activate Merciless Slash 23:38:47.715 You activate Overload Saber 23:38:48.911 You activate Cauterize 23:38:50.430 You activate Force Melt 23:38:50.526 You activate Zen 23:38:52.036 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:38:53.545 You activate Merciless Slash 23:38:55.137 You activate Zealous Strike 23:38:56.642 You activate Dispatch 23:38:58.161 You activate Force Leap 23:38:59.953 You activate Merciless Slash 23:39:00.150 You activate Overload Saber 23:39:01.563 You activate Cauterize 23:39:03.050 You activate Master Strike 23:39:06.220 You activate Merciless Slash 23:39:07.837 You activate Force Melt 23:39:09.445 You activate Strike 23:39:11.084 You activate Zealous Strike 23:39:12.675 You activate Merciless Slash 23:39:12.677 You activate Overload Saber 23:39:14.073 You activate Zen 23:39:15.564 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:39:17.084 You activate Dispatch 23:39:18.530 You activate Merciless Slash 23:39:20.153 You activate Force Leap 23:39:21.649 You activate Master Strike 23:39:24.814 You activate Merciless Slash 23:39:25.314 You activate Overload Saber 23:39:26.417 You activate Cauterize 23:39:27.929 You activate Force Melt 23:39:28.706 You activate Valorous Call 23:39:29.036 You activate Inspiration 23:39:29.841 You activate Zealous Strike 23:39:31.320 You activate Merciless Slash 23:39:32.924 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:39:34.439 You activate Dispatch 23:39:36.042 You activate Force Leap 23:39:37.549 You activate Merciless Slash 23:39:37.942 You activate Overload Saber 23:39:39.284 You activate Strike 23:39:40.875 You activate Cauterize 23:39:42.374 You activate Master Strike 23:39:45.397 You activate Zealous Strike 23:39:46.895 You activate Merciless Slash 23:39:48.492 You activate Force Melt 23:39:49.985 You activate Force Leap 23:39:50.292 You activate Overload Saber 23:39:51.590 You activate Cauterize 23:39:51.692 You activate Zen 23:39:53.214 You activate Merciless Slash 23:39:54.801 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:39:56.258 You activate Dispatch 23:39:57.878 You activate Strike 23:39:59.379 You activate Merciless Slash 23:40:01.077 You activate Strike http://i.imgur.com/QzYCAFC.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted February 2, 2015 Author Share Posted February 2, 2015 Okay, I'm pushing 4k now with 2 piece 192 and mainly crap 186/192 gear. My APM is slightly higher, but I'm running into issues trying to activating abilities too quickly and instead they end up not activating at all and the rotation breaks down ever so slightly. You can mess around with your ability queue time. If it is set at 0.0 now consider increasing it to 0.25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinSpaghetti Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Okay, I'm pushing 4k now with 2 piece 192 and mainly crap 186/192 gear. My APM is slightly higher, but I'm running into issues trying to activating abilities too quickly and instead they end up not activating at all and the rotation breaks down ever so slightly. 23:35:49.966 You activate Force Leap 23:35:51.451 You activate Merciless Slash 23:35:53.055 You activate Zealous Strike 23:35:53.532 You activate Overload Saber 23:35:54.684 You activate Cauterize 23:35:56.210 You activate Force Melt 23:35:56.307 You activate Zen 23:35:57.706 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:35:59.307 You activate Strike 23:36:00.843 You activate Strike 23:36:02.665 You activate Force Leap 23:36:04.251 You activate Merciless Slash 23:36:05.649 You activate Overload Saber 23:36:07.062 You activate Cauterize 23:36:08.943 You activate Zealous Strike 23:36:10.538 You activate Strike 23:36:12.141 You activate Strike 23:36:13.654 You activate Merciless Slash 23:36:15.252 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:36:17.159 You activate Force Melt 23:36:17.974 You activate Overload Saber 23:36:18.783 You activate Cauterize 23:36:20.465 You activate Merciless Slash 23:36:21.755 You activate Zen 23:36:21.952 You activate Master Strike 23:36:25.151 You activate Force Leap 23:36:26.658 You activate Merciless Slash 23:36:28.185 You activate Zealous Strike 23:36:29.762 You activate Strike 23:36:30.070 You activate Overload Saber 23:36:31.399 You activate Cauterize 23:36:32.901 You activate Merciless Slash 23:36:34.387 You activate Force Melt 23:36:35.867 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:36:37.402 You activate Force Leap 23:36:39.005 You activate Merciless Slash 23:36:40.518 You activate Strike 23:36:42.110 You activate Strike 23:36:42.515 You activate Overload Saber 23:36:43.634 You activate Cauterize 23:36:45.125 You activate Merciless Slash 23:36:45.214 You activate Zen 23:36:46.634 You activate Master Strike 23:36:49.839 You activate Zealous Strike 23:36:51.719 You activate Merciless Slash 23:36:53.062 You activate Force Melt 23:36:54.566 You activate Force Leap 23:36:54.672 You activate Overload Saber 23:36:56.074 You activate Cauterize 23:36:57.561 You activate Merciless Slash 23:36:59.049 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:37:00.551 You activate Strike 23:37:02.062 You activate Strike 23:37:03.558 You activate Merciless Slash 23:37:05.056 You activate Master Strike 23:37:08.217 You activate Overload Saber 23:37:08.937 You activate Cauterize 23:37:10.037 You activate Zen 23:37:10.541 You activate Merciless Slash 23:37:12.034 You activate Force Melt 23:37:13.568 You activate Zealous Strike 23:37:15.030 You activate Force Leap 23:37:16.558 You activate Merciless Slash 23:37:18.044 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:37:19.650 You activate Strike 23:37:20.847 You activate Overload Saber 23:37:21.153 You activate Cauterize 23:37:22.853 You activate Merciless Slash 23:37:24.350 You activate Master Strike 23:37:27.543 You activate Force Leap 23:37:29.151 You activate Merciless Slash 23:37:30.650 You activate Force Melt 23:37:32.146 You activate Zealous Strike 23:37:32.546 You activate Overload Saber 23:37:34.031 You activate Cauterize 23:37:35.532 You activate Zen 23:37:36.538 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:37:38.060 You activate Merciless Slash 23:37:39.545 You activate Force Leap 23:37:41.038 You activate Strike 23:37:42.644 You activate Strike 23:37:44.360 You activate Merciless Slash 23:37:44.560 You activate Overload Saber 23:37:45.961 You activate Cauterize 23:37:47.462 You activate Master Strike 23:37:50.658 You activate Merciless Slash 23:37:52.253 You activate Force Melt 23:37:53.759 You activate Zealous Strike 23:37:55.363 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:37:56.941 You activate Merciless Slash 23:37:57.021 You activate Overload Saber 23:37:58.677 You activate Cauterize 23:37:59.832 You activate Zen 23:38:00.038 You activate Force Leap 23:38:01.701 You activate Strike 23:38:03.239 You activate Merciless Slash 23:38:04.731 You activate Strike 23:38:06.241 You activate Master Strike 23:38:09.398 You activate Merciless Slash 23:38:10.416 You activate Overload Saber 23:38:10.931 You activate Cauterize 23:38:12.424 You activate Force Melt 23:38:14.026 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:38:15.642 You activate Merciless Slash 23:38:17.149 You activate Zealous Strike 23:38:18.828 You activate Force Leap 23:38:20.424 You activate Strike 23:38:22.036 You activate Merciless Slash 23:38:22.936 You activate Overload Saber 23:38:23.549 You activate Cauterize 23:38:24.532 You activate Zen 23:38:25.346 You activate Master Strike 23:38:28.550 You activate Merciless Slash 23:38:30.062 You activate Force Melt 23:38:31.541 You activate Strike 23:38:33.091 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:38:34.819 You activate Merciless Slash 23:38:35.097 You activate Overload Saber 23:38:36.302 You activate Zealous Strike 23:38:37.796 You activate Cauterize 23:38:39.494 You activate Force Leap 23:38:41.019 You activate Merciless Slash 23:38:42.702 You activate Strike 23:38:44.207 You activate Master Strike 23:38:47.411 You activate Merciless Slash 23:38:47.715 You activate Overload Saber 23:38:48.911 You activate Cauterize 23:38:50.430 You activate Force Melt 23:38:50.526 You activate Zen 23:38:52.036 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:38:53.545 You activate Merciless Slash 23:38:55.137 You activate Zealous Strike 23:38:56.642 You activate Dispatch 23:38:58.161 You activate Force Leap 23:38:59.953 You activate Merciless Slash 23:39:00.150 You activate Overload Saber 23:39:01.563 You activate Cauterize 23:39:03.050 You activate Master Strike 23:39:06.220 You activate Merciless Slash 23:39:07.837 You activate Force Melt 23:39:09.445 You activate Strike 23:39:11.084 You activate Zealous Strike 23:39:12.675 You activate Merciless Slash 23:39:12.677 You activate Overload Saber 23:39:14.073 You activate Zen 23:39:15.564 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:39:17.084 You activate Dispatch 23:39:18.530 You activate Merciless Slash 23:39:20.153 You activate Force Leap 23:39:21.649 You activate Master Strike 23:39:24.814 You activate Merciless Slash 23:39:25.314 You activate Overload Saber 23:39:26.417 You activate Cauterize 23:39:27.929 You activate Force Melt 23:39:28.706 You activate Valorous Call 23:39:29.036 You activate Inspiration 23:39:29.841 You activate Zealous Strike 23:39:31.320 You activate Merciless Slash 23:39:32.924 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:39:34.439 You activate Dispatch 23:39:36.042 You activate Force Leap 23:39:37.549 You activate Merciless Slash 23:39:37.942 You activate Overload Saber 23:39:39.284 You activate Strike 23:39:40.875 You activate Cauterize 23:39:42.374 You activate Master Strike 23:39:45.397 You activate Zealous Strike 23:39:46.895 You activate Merciless Slash 23:39:48.492 You activate Force Melt 23:39:49.985 You activate Force Leap 23:39:50.292 You activate Overload Saber 23:39:51.590 You activate Cauterize 23:39:51.692 You activate Zen 23:39:53.214 You activate Merciless Slash 23:39:54.801 You activate Twin Saber Throw 23:39:56.258 You activate Dispatch 23:39:57.878 You activate Strike 23:39:59.379 You activate Merciless Slash 23:40:01.077 You activate Strike http://i.imgur.com/QzYCAFC.png I'd read the hell out of these guides and try to at least get the opener down first, because without doing the opener correctly you wont be set up for the core rotation. Judging from the log it just looks like you're hitting any ability that comes of cooldown rather than thinking carefully about what to use next and will it fit in before the next merciless comes off cooldown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunte Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) Really nice work man as always thanks a lot! There seems to be a bug however where the 198 initiative enhancement gives surge instead of accuracy and the battle enhancement gives accuracy instead of surge. Just thought I'd point that out so no one spends time tearing their hair trying to figure out why the stats don't cooperate (not saying i did that *cough*) Also Annihilate is missing from the "damage by ability" on the character gear page. Edited February 5, 2015 by gunte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted February 5, 2015 Author Share Posted February 5, 2015 Really nice work man as always thanks a lot! There seems to be a bug however where the 198 initiative enhancement gives surge instead of accuracy and the battle enhancement gives accuracy instead of surge. Just thought I'd point that out so no one spends time tearing their hair trying to figure out why the stats don't cooperate (not saying i did that *cough*) Also Annihilate is missing from the "damage by ability" on the character gear page. Thanks for pointing these things out; they are now fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyovarde Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 So I learned the rotation that you recommend and did this http://swtor-parser.elasticbeanstalk.com/parser/view/1717/7 (without 5% strength buff) in a 4 piece. According to your model I should be hitting 4065~, but that doesn't account for the 4 piece buff. Time Action 16:35:30.337 (pre-cast) 1,000,000 Health 16:35:20.016 (pre-cast) Shattered Armor 16:35:48.131 (pre-cast) Zen 16:35:49.081 Force Leap 16:35:49.453 Overload Saber 16:35:50.671 Zealous Strike 16:35:52.173 Merciless Slash 16:35:53.659 Cauterize 16:35:55.325 Force Melt 16:35:56.911 Master Strike 16:36:00.098 Twin Saber Throw 16:36:01.789 Force Leap 16:36:02.006 Overload Saber 16:36:03.303 Strike 16:36:04.879 Merciless Slash 16:36:06.320 Cauterize 16:36:07.816 Zealous Strike 16:36:09.419 Slash 16:36:11.132 Strike 16:36:12.533 Strike 16:36:14.335 Merciless Slash 16:36:14.633 Overload Saber 16:36:15.848 Force Melt 16:36:17.334 Strike 16:36:18.856 Cauterize 16:36:20.537 Merciless Slash 16:36:20.741 Zen 16:36:22.037 Master Strike 16:36:25.144 Force Leap 16:36:26.739 Merciless Slash 16:36:26.945 Overload Saber 16:36:28.243 Twin Saber Throw 16:36:29.054 Valorous Call 16:36:29.855 Zealous Strike 16:36:30.244 Zen 16:36:31.456 Cauterize 16:36:32.950 Merciless Slash 16:36:34.576 Force Melt 16:36:36.040 Strike 16:36:37.540 Force Leap 16:36:39.149 Merciless Slash 16:36:39.347 Overload Saber 16:36:40.745 Master Strike 16:36:43.742 Cauterize 16:36:45.367 Merciless Slash 16:36:46.960 Twin Saber Throw 16:36:48.558 Zealous Strike 16:36:50.157 Force Leap 16:36:51.779 Merciless Slash 16:36:51.974 Overload Saber 16:36:53.374 Force Melt 16:36:54.479 Zen 16:36:54.890 Strike 16:36:56.390 Cauterize 16:36:57.992 Merciless Slash 16:36:59.474 Master Strike 16:37:02.618 Force Leap 16:37:04.176 Merciless Slash 16:37:04.471 Overload Saber 16:37:05.750 Twin Saber Throw 16:37:07.313 Zealous Strike 16:37:10.020 Cauterize 16:37:11.634 Merciless Slash 16:37:13.220 Force Melt 16:37:14.715 Force Leap 16:37:16.411 Strike 16:37:16.914 Overload Saber 16:37:18.032 Merciless Slash 16:37:19.687 Master Strike 16:37:22.747 Cauterize 16:37:23.657 Zen 16:37:24.351 Merciless Slash 16:37:25.842 Twin Saber Throw 16:37:27.382 Zealous Strike 16:37:28.876 Force Leap 16:37:29.080 Overload Saber 16:37:30.422 Merciless Slash 16:37:31.908 Force Melt 16:37:33.415 Strike 16:37:34.981 Cauterize 16:37:36.552 Merciless Slash 16:37:38.037 Master Strike 16:37:41.139 Force Leap 16:37:41.644 Overload Saber 16:37:42.757 Merciless Slash 16:37:44.238 Twin Saber Throw 16:37:45.765 Zealous Strike 16:37:47.245 Cauterize 16:37:48.116 Zen 16:37:48.815 Merciless Slash 16:37:50.310 Force Melt 16:37:51.821 Strike 16:37:53.326 Force Leap 16:37:54.324 Overload Saber 16:37:54.932 Merciless Slash 16:37:56.419 Master Strike 16:37:59.470 Cauterize 16:38:01.088 Merciless Slash 16:38:02.626 Twin Saber Throw 16:38:04.085 Zealous Strike 16:38:05.702 Force Leap 16:38:07.292 Merciless Slash 16:38:07.487 Overload Saber 16:38:08.889 Force Melt 16:38:10.384 Strike 16:38:11.911 Cauterize 16:38:13.411 Merciless Slash 16:38:13.508 Zen 16:38:14.909 Master Strike 16:38:18.097 Force Leap 16:38:19.710 Merciless Slash 16:38:19.712 Overload Saber 16:38:21.280 Twin Saber Throw 16:38:22.795 Zealous Strike 16:38:24.287 Cauterize 16:38:25.865 Merciless Slash 16:38:27.460 Force Melt 16:38:28.965 Strike 16:38:30.463 Force Leap 16:38:32.086 Merciless Slash 16:38:32.185 Overload Saber 16:38:33.594 Master Strike 16:38:36.495 Cauterize 16:38:38.118 Merciless Slash 16:38:38.217 Zen 16:38:39.611 Twin Saber Throw 16:38:41.207 Zealous Strike 16:38:42.859 Force Leap 16:38:44.494 Merciless Slash 16:38:44.673 Overload Saber 16:38:46.077 Force Melt 16:38:47.571 Strike 16:38:49.074 Cauterize 16:38:50.607 Merciless Slash 16:38:50.885 Valorous Call 16:38:51.509 Zen 16:38:52.083 Master Strike 16:38:55.180 Strike 16:38:56.684 Force Leap 16:38:56.786 Overload Saber 16:38:58.177 Merciless Slash 16:38:59.680 Twin Saber Throw 16:39:01.295 Zealous Strike 16:39:02.837 Cauterize 16:39:04.688 Merciless Slash 16:39:06.095 Force Melt 16:39:07.680 Strike 16:39:09.578 Force Leap 16:39:09.982 Overload Saber 16:39:11.214 Merciless Slash 16:39:12.701 Master Strike 16:39:15.713 Cauterize 16:39:16.538 Zen 16:39:17.336 Merciless Slash 16:39:18.841 Twin Saber Throw 16:39:20.332 Zealous Strike 16:39:21.819 Force Leap 16:39:22.845 Overload Saber 16:39:23.456 Merciless Slash 16:39:24.958 Force Melt 16:39:26.443 Strike 16:39:28.046 Cauterize 16:39:29.546 Merciless Slash 16:39:31.296 Master Strike 16:39:34.452 Force Leap 16:39:34.763 Overload Saber 16:39:35.973 Merciless Slash 16:39:37.475 Twin Saber Throw 16:39:39.085 Zealous Strike 16:39:40.688 Cauterize 16:39:41.580 Zen 16:39:42.277 Merciless Slash 16:39:43.791 Force Melt 16:39:45.376 Strike 16:39:47.084 Force Leap 16:39:47.399 Overload Saber 16:39:48.614 Merciless Slash 16:39:50.207 Master Strike 16:39:53.221 Dispatch 16:39:54.824 Merciless Slash 16:39:56.350 Zealous Strike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 So I learned the rotation that you recommend and did this http://swtor-parser.elasticbeanstalk.com/parser/view/1717/7 (without 5% strength buff) in a 4 piece. According to your model I should be hitting 4065~, but that doesn't account for the 4 piece buff. I am confused you did a parse without the our class buff, but you had all of the others? Also, I should point out that the model calculates DPS but ignores some fixed amount buffs like adrenals, Inspiration | Bloodthirst, and the Weaponmaster buff from the 4-piece set bonus. Plus, it is highly unlikely that any single parse matches the calculated average DPS that my model estimates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyovarde Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 I am confused you did a parse without the our class buff, but you had all of the others? Also, I should point out that the model calculates DPS but ignores some fixed amount buffs like adrenals, Inspiration | Bloodthirst, and the Weaponmaster buff from the 4-piece set bonus. Plus, it is highly unlikely that any single parse matches the calculated average DPS that my model estimates. Force Valor (5% strength) is the Consular buff. Our buff is +5% damage. I don't have a 50 Consular/Shadow so I don't always have that buff up. Managed to push it up to 4200 DPS with that buff. So pretty close to what your model is suggesting. At this point I just need to improve my gear. I've come to the conclusion that Alacrity = Power as far stat values go. They come out equal in your model, but that doesn't consider the increased uptime of Zen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 Force Valor (5% strength) is the Consular buff... It will also boost your Willpower which affects our force attacks. I've come to the conclusion that Alacrity = Power as far stat values go. They come out equal in your model, but that doesn't consider the increased uptime of Zen. Good point, I hadn't considered the potential additional damage under the Weaponsmaster buff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunte Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Just thought i'd point out also that the Set bonuses do not work. Changing them doesn't have any effect on DPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted February 13, 2015 Author Share Posted February 13, 2015 Just thought i'd point out also that the Set bonuses do not work. Changing them doesn't have any effect on DPS. The only set bonus that affects the model is the old 2-piece set bonus. The model was originally created to figure how to gear your character to do the most expected DPS. Thus, I ignored many of the linear impacts on DPS such as Bloodthirst | Inspiration and Adrenals. Now, BioWare has added even more linear buffs like the Weaponmaster's & increased damage after Battering Assault | Zealous Strike. I still aspire to account for these, which is why the selection is there, but I haven't had time to do so. In any event, I added a note to the "Read Me" tab to make this clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyovarde Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 As far as stats go. 1) Crit is very low in value. Zen gives 100% crit rate on DoTs, which make up very large portion of our damage, thus rendering crit literally useless frequently. 2) Surge is actually on par with Alacrity. Our DoTs crit so frequently 40-50%, that Surge has a very high return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardarell_Solo Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 (edited) 1) Crit is very low in value. Zen gives 100% crit rate on DoTs, which make up very large portion of our damage, thus rendering crit literally useless frequently. Don't forget the extra focus you get from critical melee hits on bleeding targets: More Slashes/Dispatches in your rotation instead of Strikes makes a huge difference. EDIT: Generally you can't look at stats indepedently of one another. If you go for a build with more crit rating, you will also want a bit more surge in favour of alacrity. Your playstyle will be more focus consuming, aiming for a rotation that makes use of the extra resources with more stronger fillers. If you go for an alacrity build, you will want to reduce crit rating since you can't afford that much surge. This will be a very constant playstyle with more planning ahead of the rotation in regard to focus consumption and will have less quick decisions about extra focus spending. It is also more bursty and better in target switching in raids. Meaning, you can actually adjust your gear setup depending on the boss you're fighting. Edited February 13, 2015 by Ardarell_Solo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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