cs_zoltan Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Wouldn't be very effective tool if it gives the other person they're fighting an amp as well, would it? They both had amulets A better question. What's the point of an amulet if it doesn't amp the user one way or another? I doubt they wore it because of style... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarons Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 What Rhyltran said essentially, add to that that Starkiller and Vader haven't actually replicated anything Kun has done with his amulets i.e. Force blasts, and frankly his other feats are more important and numerous. The only reason he could use force blast was because of the gauntlet. Without it he couldn't use the ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Well done you repeated what we've been saying for three pages, allowing you to channel your rage into dark side energy blasts is entirely different from Exar Kun being massively amped as Selenial suggests. Honestly why do so many people place Kun so low? It makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 They both had amulets A better question. What's the point of an amulet if it doesn't amp the user one way or another? I doubt they wore it because of style... Incase you didn't know, Ulic got his from Aleema so she could control him, thinking he'd be an enraged monster. Kun snatched his from a Massassi priest at Nadd's behest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) A better question. What's the point of an amulet if it doesn't amp the user one way or another? I doubt they wore it because of style...Because it channelled and focused their power... but that doesn't make in a constant amp. I'd like to remind the opposition that Kun's superiority is in no way being posited on his ability to wield the Force blasts, we're merely responding to the claim that Kun's amulet should be treated as an constant and external power source. Edited August 27, 2015 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Honestly why do so many people place Kun so low? It makes no sense. Because everything he does is amped. Amulet? Amp. Holocron crashing? On Yavin IV = amped. Manadlorian iron smashing? Amped. Barrier feat? On Yavin IV = amped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Because it channelled and focused their power... but that doesn't make in a constant amp. I'd like to remind the opposition that Kun's superiority is in no way being posited on his ability to wield the Force blasts, we're merely responding to the claim that Kun's amulet should be treated as an constant and external power source. Wut now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Well done you repeated what we've been saying for three pages, allowing you to channel your rage into dark side energy blasts is entirely different from Exar Kun being massively amped as Selenial suggests. Honestly why do so many people place Kun so low? It makes no sense. Ah so you're just massively ignoring the fact that it's not just energy blasts, but actually magnifies and concentrates his rage permanently, as numerous sources (some of which Beni already linked) suggest. Glad we got that out of the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Because everything he does is amped. Amulet? Amp. Holocron crashing? On Yavin IV = amped. Manadlorian iron smashing? Amped. Barrier feat? On Yavin IV = amped. Source? Nice assumption. Nice assumption. LOL it wasn't even on Yavin IV. No he is not always amped, go do some basic TotJ research, please. Kun practically made Yavin IV that powerful, it being as powerful as it is is a feat for Kun if anything, not derogatory to his feats. Make an actual argument for Vader or Starkiller being superior or I just don't care, because baseless lowballing is not amongst my interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/88/c5/50/88c550efd06668770701fadafd16df50.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Ah so you're just massively ignoring the fact that it's not just energy blasts, but actually magnifies and concentrates his rage permanently, as numerous sources (some of which Beni already linked) suggest. Glad we got that out of the way. It allows him to unleash his inner rage into concentrated blasts, source for the rest of what you posted or are you just going to continuously sh*t on Kun? Your fervant anti-Nomi bias seems to be creeping up here to, do you simply not like TotJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 Wut now?You're not understand the difference between being empowered by an external source, and having you're own power focused. Fact is the power of the amulet comes from Kun, and wouldn't be as potent without his power to fuel it.Because everything he does is amped. Amulet? Amp. Holocron crashing? On Yavin IV = amped. Manadlorian iron smashing? Amped. Barrier feat? On Yavin IV = ampedI wasn't aware that Kun only had four feats... Anyway, concluding that everything Kun did on Yavin 4 is a nexus feat, assumes that for every one of those feats Kun was drawing on a nexus. However if Kun didn't need a nexus to perform those feats, he wouldn't have drawn upon it, so again, you're assuming he did. I don't think that's a safe assumption to make unless it's actually stated. As for where it is, Exar Kun smashing down the wall of Mandalorian iron was prior to him turning to the dark side, and prior to him achieving mastery over that power. And considering he ended up eclipsing Freedon Nadd I see no reason to believe he couldn't replicate this feat in his much more powerful condition. Especially if we consider it in context, Nadd encouraging Kun to embrace his dark power and Kun "standing on the threshold of the future" implies to me that this is the power Kun could possess if he became a Sith as he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 It's funny that you call us biased, because the only time you ever show up in this thread is when one of your favourite character is being discussed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 Let's leave the ad hominem at the door folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Anyway, concluding that everything Kun did on Yavin 4 is a nexus feat, assumes that for every one of those feats Kun was drawing on a nexus. However if Kun didn't need a nexus to perform those feats, he wouldn't have drawn upon it, so again, you're assuming he did. I don't think that's a safe assumption to make unless it's actually stated. Lol okay. It wasn't stated that Revan drew on the nexus so Revan > Luke... Seriously he was on a nexus, l2dealwithit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 Lol okay. It wasn't stated that Revan drew on the nexus so Revan > Luke... Seriously he was on a nexus, l2dealwithit.There is no logical reason for Revan > Luke though so it's obvious he was drawing on a nexus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Actually I have a job which rarely gives me anything short of a 16 hour shift, with kids to care for to boot, oh and Kun isn't one of my favourites actually, but that doesn't really matter. If trying to get one of the most powerful Sith ever recognised on a list if I think he should be there makes me biased then sure. I however don't partake in generic nexus bashing. The two of you started throwing jabs long before I got tired of hearing continuous anti-Kun sentiments which still remain baseless. Though it's funny you claim that right after I suggested moving on to Valkorion's moving up a spot, a character I dislike immensely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) Let's leave the ad hominem at the door folks./5char. Edited August 27, 2015 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Let's leave the ad hominem at the door folks./5char.. Caught it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowMudkip Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 How can we place Valkorion anywhere, when KotFE hasn't even been released yet.:rak_02: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 How can we place Valkorion anywhere, when KotFE hasn't even been released yet.:rak_02: Nobody answer that. I don't want spoilers goddamnit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Because Valkorion is.. Darth Bandon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowMudkip Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Nobody answer that. I don't want spoilers gosh darnit. I already know the spoilers, and if they are true we shouldn't even have to rank him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowMudkip Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Because Valkorion is.. Darth Bandon No, Valkorion is this guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Thanks for the spoiler tags. Not sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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