bleenX Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I think this is the best annihilation spec marauder build. http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#100bIrRMRMfhzZhZRr.1 what do you think? opinions plz ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smotpocket Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 here are a couple specs that I found but it sounds like it will depend on how the bleed damage works as to weather annih or carnage are better carnage http://db.darthhater.com/talents/sith_warrior/marauder/#::f14e2f3e2fe3fefe5fe5f6ef4ef8 annihilation http://db.darthhater.com/talents/sith_warrior/marauder/#::e3fe4fe4fe3fe2f3ef8ef17df8 ... ahh fresh forums... time to start theory crafting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandopie Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Is this pve or pvp? It looks more like a pve spec. But then again im new at this and cant wait to start playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igles Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 It's awful. It's not a PVE or PVP build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleenX Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 It's awful. It's not a PVE or PVP build. so post a better one plz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentaos Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 They look like an effort at the least, and I know as someone who is trying to learn the class I appreciate someone putting it out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metalizzi Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Right, instead of doing harsh critics, just tell (and justify) how you would build it. Any real theorycrafting is welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misieek Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I think this is the best annihilation spec marauder build. http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#100bIrRMRMfhzZhZRr.1 what do you think? opinions plz ? Short fuse is a must Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBarbosa Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Couple questions for the OP... Why would you not take Empowerment, and why would you not take short fuse? Building Fury and Rage are huge, especially for an anni spec marauder. (Annihilate is 5 rage). That and berserk makes all of your dots crit, so you want to build Fury as fast as possible. I will be using only 1 of 2 possible builds at launch for PVE dps. 1. 31/10/0 This gives you enraged charge, so charge will give 4 rage instead of 3. This also gives you an interrupt on a 6 second cd, as well as 45 second Obfuscate. If, and only if empowerment procs are extremely reliable, I would take the points out of enraged charged and build up to brutality for this build: 2. 31/3/7 15% crit on Viscous Slash sounds really sexy, but empowerment would have to make it worth losing enraged charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senatsu Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#100bzZhGrbddMorsZG00M.1 Is going to be my Carnage build, but if I ever plan to go Annihilation it would probably look something like this: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#100bIbRrorcGzZhrZh.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kekaf Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 For PvE, I am personally going for something more like this: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#100bIbRr****zZhGZb.1 Maybe swapping the two points in Phantom for Subjugation This has points in the two rage and fury builders that you skipped, and nothing in Seeping Wound (A PvP skill). For the secondary tree, speccing more into Carnage seems better in my opinion (at least for PvE). The Accuracy bonus looks very attractive, hence the points in Defensive forms to get to it, though that'll most likely be a nice bonus by itself anyway. Force Choke is not really an Annhi skill, and whilst the lower cd on Ravage would be nice (nicer for PvP) 3 seconds off of 30 is not worth the points over increased critical chance imo. As for not going further into Rage over Carnage, Unleash has a huge cooldown, so whilst that 10% heal might look attractive, it really isn't. Force Alacrity and Enraged Scream are irrelevant for Annhi and though the huge boost to Vicious Slash's critical chance does look very tempting, I can't bring myself to spec out of the 3% accuracy just for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleenX Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 Couple questions for the OP... Why would you not take Empowerment, and why would you not take short fuse? Building Fury and Rage are huge, especially for an anni spec marauder. (Annihilate is 5 rage). That and berserk makes all of your dots crit, so you want to build Fury as fast as possible. I will be using only 1 of 2 possible builds at launch for PVE dps. 1. 31/10/0 This gives you enraged charge, so charge will give 4 rage instead of 3. This also gives you an interrupt on a 6 second cd, as well as 45 second Obfuscate. If, and only if empowerment procs are extremely reliable, I would take the points out of enraged charged and build up to brutality for this build: 2. 31/3/7 15% crit on Viscous Slash sounds really sexy, but empowerment would have to make it worth losing enraged charge. thank you i'll make some changes to my pve build now:) and what anni build you would suggest for pvp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnshnwng Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 My Annihilation PVE build. Phantom was chosen for its added utility to Force Camouflage, and the fact that Predation speed boost for 1 person only isn't all that useful. As far as against the other 3 options for the 2 points needed to reach the next tier, all of them are more PVP oriented than PVE oriented, and can't really beat the damage immunity effect. My Carnage PVE build. Enraged Charge and Erupting Fury was chosen for increased damage potential, especially if the fight is movement heavy or have many adds that spawn. Unbound can be switched for Defensive Roll or Cloak of Carnage, all three of them are about equal in PVE utility in my opinion. Overwhelm was ignored because of lack of utility. Hungering was chosen over all other talents for the final 2 points for some added survivability along with easing the healer's burden slightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBarbosa Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 thank you i'll make some changes to my pve build now:) and what anni build you would suggest for pvp?One of the pve builds I posted should still be good for pvp as Annihilation has quite a bit of pvp utility, but if you wanted to optimize it perhaps something like this would be good. 35/4/2 This build makes it so that retaliate eats away the cd of cloak of pain, as well as giving you an extra second of immobilize on your charge. You can choose as to whether the run speed from predation or the damage redux from phantom is more worth 2 points to you. Seeping wounds is worthless imo since you get a 50% snare skill that costs only 2 rage with no cooldown anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogloth Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I have not done a whole lot of reading on the classes yet, so what's the difference game wise between carnage and annihilation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBarbosa Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Carnage is more of a burst dps tree that uses the Ataru form to give your melee attacks a chance at proccing an extra damage strike. Annihilation is more of a sustained dps through bleeds tree that uses the Deadly Saber skill to make your melee attacks apply a stacking bleed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addia Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) For PvE, I am personally going for something more like this: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#100bIbRr****zZhGZb.1 Force Choke is not really an Annhi skill, and whilst the lower cd on Ravage would be nice (nicer for PvP) 3 seconds off of 30 is not worth the points over increased critical chance imo. . Force Choke will be largely used in Annihilation. There's an ability called Inescapable Torment that makes the next 5 ticks of your bleed effects do 30% more damage while Force Choke is being channeled. So you get the large damage from Choke, as well as the additional damage from the added effect. Speccing into reducing the cooldown for Force Choke may very well be worth it. Edited December 13, 2011 by Addia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleenX Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 Force Choke will be largely used in Annihilation. There's an ability called Inescapable Torment that makes the next 5 ticks of your bleed effects do 30% more damage while Force Choke is being channeled. So you get the large damage from Choke, as well as the additional damage from the added effect. Speccing into reducing the cooldown for Force Choke may very well be worth it. i dont know where youve seen this ability mabe i'm blind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addia Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 i dont know where youve seen this ability mabe i'm blind It is a passive ability in the Annihilation tree. http://torguild.net/calculator/sith-warrior/marauder/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tey-Sith Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 It is a passive ability in the Annihilation tree. http://torguild.net/calculator/sith-warrior/marauder/ Think that's old, lookee here- http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#100.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackfist Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I was only in beta for 2 weekends but this build fits my play style for pvp. http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#100bIrR0RMfhZZGR0rz.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomaschD Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) one of my possible builds: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#100bIbRMRMfGzZhMMZh.1 Edited December 13, 2011 by DomaschD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntz Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I was only in beta for 2 weekends but this build fits my play style for pvp. http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#100bIrR0RMfhZZGR0rz.1 you fail for not having a top tier skill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmearBlood Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 2 questions. 1) What is the hit cap for bosses in pve? 2) Is it worth it to get Brutality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackfist Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 you fail for not having a top tier skill Like i said this fits my playstyle not yours. an second i dont like annihilate i can put out just as much dps with a cheaper rage cost and in pvp dont have time to stack 3 annihilates . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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