Silenceo Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Sil's calculations as to the Flagships's weapons. You seem to have taken the variable off of the second number, which is however many guns are in a battery. Even if it was low as 2, it would go over 1,000. But as I said, I no longer care and just want to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted November 5, 2014 Author Share Posted November 5, 2014 Well this issue needs to be resolved unfortunately before we can continue. TBH though the rule was put in place effectively to prevent the use of SSDs and there equivalent, I think it would be best at this point for Lady to not opt for a flagship at all, the Venator's didn't exactly need them. However that is her decision, but currently I don't think the Megador can be permitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Well this issue needs to be resolved unfortunately before we can continue. TBH though the rule was put in place effectively to prevent the use of SSDs and there equivalent, I think it would be best at this point for Lady to not opt for a flagship at all, the Venator's didn't exactly need them. However that is her decision, but currently I don't think the Megador can be permitted. Yay, delayed by another day.... minimum! So much for starting this while I still had the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I'm going to say it again. I think Rayla should just drop the flagship and go with the capital ship boost. Or even pick a New Republic/Galactic Alliance vessel like a Mon Cal warship. Nek's presence should allow that, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted November 5, 2014 Author Share Posted November 5, 2014 I'm going to say it again. I think Rayla should just drop the flagship and go with the capital ship boost. Or even pick a New Republic/Galactic Alliance vessel like a Mon Cal warship. Nek's presence should allow that, right?I again concur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 (edited) So what are we trying to figure out here in ships/weapons?? Edited November 5, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 So what are we trying to figure out here in ships/weapons?? I think we were trying to work out how many turbolasers are in a battery. At least, that is what I would like to know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I think we were trying to work out how many turbolasers are in a battery. At least, that is what I would like to know... Generally 5. Certain cases 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) Generally 5. Certain cases 4. Ok, that was what I thought. Though, if people wish, they could discuss if the change being made to my fleet *recommended by Beni* is alright, or if there is anything that needs to be ironed out. Old: Light Capital Ship: Strike-class medium cruiser [9] 2nd Light Capital Ship: Tartan-class corvette [15] Heavy Capital Ship: Vindicator-class heavy cruiser [20] Flagship: Allegiance-class battlecruiser [Vengeance] New: Light Capital Ship: Tartan-class corvette [25] Heavy Capital Ship: Vindicator-class heavy cruiser [16] Flagship: Praetor II-class battlecruiser [Vengeance] Any objections or questions? Edited November 6, 2014 by Silenceo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share Posted November 6, 2014 Ok, that was what I thought. Though, if people wish, they could discuss if the change being made to my fleet *recommended by Beni* is alright, or if there is anything that needs to be ironed out. Old: Light Capital Ship: Strike-class medium cruiser [9] 2nd Light Capital Ship: Tartan-class corvette [15] Heavy Capital Ship: Vindicator-class heavy cruiser [20] Flagship: Allegiance-class battlecruiser [Vengeance] New: Light Capital Ship: Tartan-class corvette [25] Heavy Capital Ship: Vindicator-class heavy cruiser [16] Flagship: Praetor II-class battlecruiser [Vengeance] Any objections or questions? I believe that should be 24, not 25. But yeah I'll update the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) I think we were trying to work out how many turbolasers are in a battery. At least, that is what I would like to know... What do you mean a battery?...How many barrels on a turbolaser you mean? Also Beni, the Tartan isn't a capital ship, so shouldn't it be labeled, light cruiser instead? Edited November 6, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Generally 5. Certain cases 4. If I recall correctly we determined this likely had to do with size of ship. Most Destroyers have 5, Most Cruisers have 3. Heavy Cruisers have a mix of 5 and 3, usually about half and half between. If the ship was known for less firepower but more shields as a Cruiser instead of 3 all around, it could be as little as 2 in certain areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 What do you mean a battery?...How many barrels on a turbolaser you mean? Also Beni, the Tartan isn't a capital ship, so shouldn't it be labeled, light cruiser instead? Its a Corvette. Capital ships are all ships > 100 meters. They Include Corvettes, Frigates, Cruisers, Heavy Cruisers, Destroyers, Battle Cruisers and Dreadnaughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Battery, essentially a group of guns that are controlled as one for more effective fire control and concentrated fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) Its a Corvette. Capital ships are all ships > 100 meters. They Include Corvettes, Frigates, Cruisers, Heavy Cruisers, Destroyers, Battle Cruisers and Dreadnaughts. Right but the length, doesn't make it a capital ship class, it's just a corvette class, it can be considered a capital ship but doesn't actually make it one. But anyway it's fine. Battery, essentially a group of guns that are controlled as one for more effective fire control and concentrated fire. ...So what are you trying to figure out? If they can all fire together? Pretty sure they can. Edited November 6, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Right but the length, doesn't make it a capital ship class, it's just a corvette class, it can be considered a capital ship but doesn't actually make it one. But anyway it's fine. ...So what are you trying to figure out? If they can all fire together? Pretty sure they can. Corvettes are capital ships.... that was the point. Capital ships include ALL Corvettes, Frigates, Cruisers, Heavy Cruisers, Destroyers, Battle Cruisers, and Dreadnaughts. "Capital ship was a general term that referred to any armed military starship that had a length greater than one hundred meters. Ships of this class ranged from small and nimble corvettes like the Corellian Engineering Corporation CR90 corvette to titanic Star Dreadnoughts, such as the Kuat Drive Yards Eclipse." Following the Anaxes War College System capital ships were divided into seven main classifications. Corvettes: Ships of roughly 100 - 200 meters length[1] CR70 corvette[1] CR90 corvette[2] Frigates: Ships of roughly 200 - 400 meters length[1] Vigil-class corvette EF76 Nebulon-B escort frigate[1] Lancer-class frigate[3] MC40a light cruiser[4] Cruisers: Ships of roughly 400 - 600 meters length[1] Dreadnaught-class heavy cruiser[1] Heavy Cruisers: Ships of roughly 600 - 1000 meters length[1] Acclamator-class assault ship[1] Victory-class Star Destroyer[4] Star Destroyers: Ships of roughly 1000 -2000 meters length[1] Venator-class Star Destroyer[5] Imperial-class Star Destroyer[1] Battlecruisers: Ships of roughly 2000 - 5000 meters length[1] Bulwark Mark III[6] Praetor II-class Star Battlecruiser[1] Dreadnaughts: All ships over 5000 meters length[1] Executor-class Star Dreadnought[1] Eclipse-class dreadnought[7] However ships could sometimes be moved up or down in classifaction, depending on their armament and intended role. As an example, the Carrack-class light cruiser would fall into Frigate classification with its length of just 350 meters, but due to its armament and role, it was sometimes moved up into the cruiser category.[8] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) Corvettes are capital ships.... that was the point. Capital ships include ALL Corvettes, Frigates, Cruisers, Heavy Cruisers, Destroyers, Battle Cruisers, and Dreadnaughts. "Capital ship was a general term that referred to any armed military starship that had a length greater than one hundred meters. Ships of this class ranged from small and nimble corvettes like the Corellian Engineering Corporation CR90 corvette to titanic Star Dreadnoughts, such as the Kuat Drive Yards Eclipse." Right, by length it is, but by role it's not. I'm just picking at the name labels really on the faction sheets, pay no mind. Edited November 6, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) I am NOT going to decide on no flagship, it'll just turn into 'LOL the Viscount has more firepower than 6 Venators combined, GG!" I am not sacrificing my space battle just to get the show on the road a little earlier. Also why are we assuming that the Megador consists of Octuple batteries? That makes literally no sense and is a huge leap in logic, it eclipses the firepower of five ISD-IIs that does not mean you take an IMP-IIs exact armament and times it by five. I was going to assume Beni just assigned a fitting armament to the vessel like he did to Sel's but nope, changing again apparently. Edited November 6, 2014 by LadyKulvax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) Ya know I just realize, the R Reborn is gonna have a bunch of confused as *** pilots, cause they aren't gonna have any fracking idea on how to fly any of the starfighters or the fleet cruiser and Viscount. I am now imagining a bunch of Old Republic naval officers and pilots just randomly pressing buttons and it's amusing. Ok maybe they won't be that confused, but the mental image is just too funny. Unless of course they get timed to adjust themselves, but they still will be at a disadvantage. Edited November 6, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Ya know I just realize, the R Reborn is gonna have a bunch of confused as *** pilots, cause they aren't gonna have any fracking idea on how to fly any of the starfighters or the fleet cruiser and Viscount. I am not imagining a bunch of Old Republic naval officers and pilots just randomly pressing buttons and it's amusing. Ok maybe they won't be that confused, but the mental image is just too funny. Unless of course they get timed to adjust themselves, but they still will be at a disadvantage. I think Beni said something like, "Kaggath Flight School" for such instances. Such as the Vong ships and the Killik pilots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) I think Beni said something like, "Kaggath Flight School" for such instances. Such as the Vong ships and the Killik pilots. Ah...well I also heard something about a disadvantage or some such noise regarding pilots or something.../shrug But anyway, it's more of an amusing post really. OR Naval Crew guy: "Alright...uhh....let's see now...what does this button do?" /Presses the red button on board the Viscount, alarms go off. OR Naval Crew guy: "OMG! The reactor is overloading, abandon ship! Abandon ship! We gonna die!" /Meanwhile in the space battle... OR Naval Pilot: "Ahhhh! How the hell do I fly this thing?!" /Cut to pilot in a B-wing spinning crazily outta control, blasting weaponry at nothing. With other OR pilots crashing into one another. OR Naval Pilot: "Uhh...why is the flagship exploding?" /Cut to Viscount ship dealing with small explosions, and then erupting into a giant fireball of death, atomizing all OR starfighters and pilots. /Meanwhile the enemy is just sitting in their ships, not moving. CW Naval Crew: "Did...did that really just happen?" /Cut to CW pilots, some spinning outta control themselves, but at least some of their starfighters have similar controls of what they used to fly. CW Naval Pilot: "Well...that was interesting, I guess we won?" /End scene. Edited November 6, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) It would be quite amusing Wolf. Though, you forgot the part where the OR crash the shuttle that their leader is on... Jokes aside, I think it should be a fun space battle, as soon as a Flagship is found that works. (I shall not open fire... I shall not open fire... I SHALL NOT OPEN FIRE!!!) Edited November 6, 2014 by Silenceo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I'm going to see how the Mediator does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share Posted November 6, 2014 I think Beni said something like, "Kaggath Flight School" for such instances. Such as the Vong ships and the Killik pilots. Correctomundo, I believe this has come up before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) Also why are we assuming that the Megador consists of Octuple batteries? That makes literally no sense and is a huge leap in logic, it eclipses the firepower of five ISD-IIs that does not mean you take an IMP-IIs exact armament and times it by five. I was going to assume Beni just assigned a fitting armament to the vessel like he did to Sel's but nope, changing again apparently.I think that merely demonstrates the inaccuracy of any figures we could devise. "Fitting armament" as you can see, is totally subjective. I can only suggest taking a smaller vessel, the rules are not really designed to permit colossal dreadnoughts. Edited November 6, 2014 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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