Aurbere Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Also, let's not forget that if the faction controlling that ship could come up with some kind of protection, the ship could entirely wipe out whichever planet is the battleground, seeing as the crashing of the LOT ended up settting fires that tore Ithor apart. Always makes me sad. I like Ithorians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 Difficulty with that is being the fact they are not gun emplacements but infact they are growths which are scaled to the size of the ship, there is literally no difference but size. In essence if you make the 'cannons' smaller you make the ship smaller.But a smaller ship would be less powerful correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Orbital bombardment is not allowed, for reasons such as this. Would be more like a suicide run, but meh. Not sure if I like or dislike this rule, but as long as that Behemouth is in the Kaggath I'm happy it's here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) Would be more like a suicide run, but meh. Not sure if I like or dislike this rule, but as long as that Behemouth is in the Kaggath I'm happy it's here Well given that we have this rule: #75 The outcome of the space battle will be determined by the Arbiter mid-battle so that its impact can be felt in regards to the primary battle on the ground. The winning faction will take space superiority and so be able to cut off the enemy from resupply etc. And just in general, orbital bombardment would render the ground battle practically meaningless. Also note bombing runs are not allowed either. Edited June 8, 2014 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Well given that we have this rule: #75 The outcome of the space battle will be determined by the Arbiter mid-battle so that its impact can be felt in regards to the primary battle on the ground. The winning faction will take space superiority and so be able to cut off the enemy from resupply etc. And just in general, orbital bombardment would render the ground battle practically meaningless. Also note bombing runs are not allowed either. Interesting. I feel MUCH more comfortable about my choices then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 But a smaller ship would be less powerful correct? Correct, however it would also no longer be the Legacy of Torment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 Correct, however it would also no longer be the Legacy of Torment.OK I see, that seems the best course of action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 OK I see, that seems the best course of action. Not really, it'd have even worse firing angles, more weak spots, it'd be a horrendously vulnerable ship and a pitiful excuse for a flagship. To be honest, it's best we simply disallow the vong ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Not really, it'd have even worse firing angles, more weak spots, it'd be a horrendously vulnerable ship and a pitiful excuse for a flagship. To be honest, it's best we simply disallow the vong ships. I have to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I have to agree. Personally I'm fine with them being shrunk, but whoever has them is being severely nerfed, and its either having the vong ships Stupidly OP or severely Under powered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 Not really, it'd have even worse firing angles, more weak spots, it'd be a horrendously vulnerable ship and a pitiful excuse for a flagship. To be honest, it's best we simply disallow the vong ships.So one minute its the Harbinger of Doom and now its a pitiful excuse for a flagship? Admittedly its shape doesn't bode well for frontal assaults but its purpose seems to me to hang at the back and act as a hub if you will - despite that like any space station is protected from all angles, it can capture enemy vessels and it provides a ton of fighter support and boarding craft. Again its not standard, but it certainly has unique uses. Disallowing Vong ships is a bold move which will require substantial reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 The LoT and Worldships are the roflstompers, they fire superheated large asteroids and objects at you... however I see no issue with the smaller YV ships being used and honestly the LoT isn't the best choice for a Vong flagship anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 Personally I'm fine with them being shrunk, but whoever has them is being severely nerfed, and its either having the vong ships Stupidly OP or severely Under poweredAre they OP? Honestly by knowledge of the Vong is 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) Are they OP? Honestly by knowledge of the Vong is 0. Yes. The Vong ships in general slaughtered the ships of the normal Galactic powers, only ones who made it through with relative ease were the Mon Cala and even that was a push. Most vong ships never fell in an open battle, it was extreme tactical ingenuity or flat out battle strategy that saved the commanders. Miiid Ro'iks, the standard ships that were basically ISD's, could feed off dieing vessels and use them as a huge power boost or to patch their own hulls. Hell, there was a creature inside every Miiid Ro'ik that SWALLOWED SHIPS AND PERSONNEL. Edit: Also, don't let me forget that each and every Vong version of a starfighter could create mini black holes that worked as shields, and disrupted enemy shields on any vessels in close proximity, that drew entire missiles and blasters into a singularity and negated them Edited June 8, 2014 by Selenial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Yes. The Vong ships in general slaughtered the ships of the normal Galactic powers, only ones who made it through with relative ease were the Mon Cala and even that was a push. Most vong ships never fell in an open battle, it was extreme tactical ingenuity or flat out battle strategy that saved the commanders. Miiid Ro'iks, the standard ships that were basically ISD's, could feed off dieing vessels and use them as a huge power boost or to patch their own hulls. Hell, there was a creature inside every Miiid Ro'ik that SWALLOWED SHIPS AND PERSONNEL. Edit: Also, don't let me forget that each and every Vong version of a starfighter could create mini black holes that worked as shields, and disrupted enemy shields on any vessels in close proximity, that drew entire missiles and blasters into a singularity and negated them Beginning to remember why Vong got banned back in the old days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ventessel Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Yes. The Vong ships in general slaughtered the ships of the normal Galactic powers, only ones who made it through with relative ease were the Mon Cala and even that was a push. Most vong ships never fell in an open battle, it was extreme tactical ingenuity or flat out battle strategy that saved the commanders. Miiid Ro'iks, the standard ships that were basically ISD's, could feed off dieing vessels and use them as a huge power boost or to patch their own hulls. Hell, there was a creature inside every Miiid Ro'ik that SWALLOWED SHIPS AND PERSONNEL. Edit: Also, don't let me forget that each and every Vong version of a starfighter could create mini black holes that worked as shields, and disrupted enemy shields on any vessels in close proximity, that drew entire missiles and blasters into a singularity and negated them And yet, despite these tremendous advantages, the galactic natives did find ways to mitigate those threats and eventually defeat the Vong. In open combat, they're very very strong. However, they do have many limiting philosophies and cultural quirks which make them less than perfectly efficient slaughter machines. I'm not going to get too involved in this Kaggath (time constraints, mainly) but I would like to chime in and speak out against disallowing a whole faction's warships just because they're really good. I think that eliminating them would reduce the variety of the factions, and make for a less interesting fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 And yet, despite these tremendous advantages, the galactic natives did find ways to mitigate those threats and eventually defeat the Vong. In open combat, they're very very strong. However, they do have many limiting philosophies and cultural quirks which make them less than perfectly efficient slaughter machines. I'm not going to get too involved in this Kaggath (time constraints, mainly) but I would like to chime in and speak out against disallowing a whole faction's warships just because they're really good. I think that eliminating them would reduce the variety of the factions, and make for a less interesting fight. They lost because of a collection of about 50 people, that's it. And this is the thing. This battleground Kaggath that Warren and Beni thought up is all about open battle, in a Normal Kaggath perhaps the Vong Ships could be defeated, but in this, where there's basically one straight up battle? Should not be allowed, or should be at a numerical disadvantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Yes. The Vong ships in general slaughtered the ships of the normal Galactic powers, only ones who made it through with relative ease were the Mon Cala and even that was a push. Most vong ships never fell in an open battle, it was extreme tactical ingenuity or flat out battle strategy that saved the commanders. Miiid Ro'iks, the standard ships that were basically ISD's, could feed off dieing vessels and use them as a huge power boost or to patch their own hulls. Hell, there was a creature inside every Miiid Ro'ik that SWALLOWED SHIPS AND PERSONNEL. Edit: Also, don't let me forget that each and every Vong version of a starfighter could create mini black holes that worked as shields, and disrupted enemy shields on any vessels in close proximity, that drew entire missiles and blasters into a singularity and negated them So yeah, pretty OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ventessel Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 So yeah, pretty OP. Or just dang good. Something deep inside me recoils at the idea of disallowing a competitor because they are just better than everyone else. Call me overly egalitarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Or just dang good. Something deep inside me recoils at the idea of disallowing a competitor because they are just better than everyone else. Call me overly egalitarian. Well, we're already doing it with Palpatine, Yoda, Cadeus, Marek, Thrawn etc. Why stop at people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ventessel Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Well, we're already doing it with Palpatine, Yoda, Cadeus, Marek, Thrawn etc. Why stop at people? Sounds like you just need an "elite league" and a "weaklings who didn't make the first round draft" league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Sounds like you just need an "elite league" and a "weaklings who didn't make the first round draft" league. An elite league of 6 force users, sounds fun. At least with the lesser strengthed force users there's massive levels of variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 An elite league of 6 force users, sounds fun. At least with the lesser strengthed force users there's massive levels of variety. that would allow us to make what? 2 factions? maybe The point of this is a fun thing to bring attention to lesser known people instead of always talking about the big guys all the time. Its not about making the most powerful thing eva its about getting creative and using some of your favorite people and equipment together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ventessel Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 An elite league of 6 force users, sounds fun. At least with the lesser strengthed force users there's massive levels of variety. Maybe move the champions from the standard league into the elite league? It pays to be a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 Beginning to remember why Vong got banned back in the old days...The reason they got banned was because I didn't like them lol. I'm trying to get past my prejudices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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