LtBombshell Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I ask simply because I know that Vapaad is borderline Dark Side. As well, Mace Windu was insistent on killing Sidious, even though the "light side" choice would be to take him prisoner. Was Mace Windu right in wanting to kill Sidious then and there? Was he "too dangerous to be kept alive"? Also, is there a chance we could see Mace Windu come back in VII-IX? Sure, we see him thrown out of a window, but we never actually see him die. Is there a chance he survived? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarSquirrel Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I ask simply because I know that Vapaad is borderline Dark Side. As well, Mace Windu was insistent on killing Sidious, even though the "light side" choice would be to take him prisoner. Was Mace Windu right in wanting to kill Sidious then and there? Was he "too dangerous to be kept alive"? Also, is there a chance we could see Mace Windu come back in VII-IX? Sure, we see him thrown out of a window, but we never actually see him die. Is there a chance he survived? The whole point of Vapaad is to be borderline Darkside. Windu is one of the only masters to even be capable of wielding it. In the fight with Sidious he isn't drawing power from the Darkside in the traditional sense of emotions fueled power, but rather he is reflecting Sidious's (the cannon most powerful Sith ever) power back giving Windu one hell of a power buzz. So no, he didn't fall and anything you see is his being amped up by Sidious's power. As for what he said, he could feel Sidious's power, he knew the jedi wouldn't be able to hold him and knew that killing an incarnation of pure evil was his only recourse, yet even then he hesitated when Anakin walked in clearly showing he was still in control. And no, no he is definitely dead at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Windu went deeper into Vaapad than he ever had before, but I'm not sure he fell to the dark side. After all Sidious was to dangerous to be kept alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellblade Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I have always thought that he *might* have - it seems that other primary Vaapad users eventually did. Mace being the best at it would probably be most resistant - but fighting Sidious did push him to beyond his limits... Also in the DVD commentary. George Lucas says that Anakin actually did the right thing in stopping Windu which again seems to indicate that he was not acting in a Jedi like manner (and was certainly being strongly motivated by fear and anger at that point..... and what does fear and anger lead to.....???) However, because he died seconds later after this point it is hard to truly know - we would have to have seen his subsequent behaviour to see if he had fallen at all, fallen temporarily or had completely fallen..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) There was a similar, more humorous, thread about this a while back. Edit: Also, Mace Windu is dead. The ROTS novel outright states that he is dead. Besides, the BAMF approved of the death himself. Edited February 27, 2014 by Aurbere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdbgjfdhjgkjdhsg Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 In my opinion it would have been lightside to kill Sidious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird_of_Thunder Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Also, Mace Windu is dead. The ROTS novel outright states that he is dead. The Force has given me a vision that Rebels is about to retcon that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jovianus Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Also in the DVD commentary. George Lucas says that Anakin actually did the right thing in stopping Windu which again seems to indicate that he was not acting in a Jedi like manner (and was certainly being strongly motivated by fear and anger at that point..... and what does fear and anger lead to.....???) So the instant where Anakin decided to betray the Order and go on to mass murder children and innocents was the 'right thing' eh? Oh well, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, Lucas also thought that Han shooting the guy who wanted to kill him first made him an insane psychotic monster. So happy someone else gets to control SW now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belsamba Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 yes mace windu is dead you can tell that from the film and if you read the book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanguiluna Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I think he would've fallen if he actually had managed to kill Sidious. He came dangerously close, but I think Anakin's interference inadvertently saved him; it screwed him physically, but saved him spiritually. I think Mace Windu died still a Jedi. So the instant where Anakin decided to betray the Order and go on to mass murder children and innocents was the 'right thing' eh? Oh well, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, Lucas also thought that Han shooting the guy who wanted to kill him first made him an insane psychotic monster. So happy someone else gets to control SW now. Slippery slope, friend. Stopping Mace was the Jedi thing. He even disarmed him non-lethally instead of just going for a fatal blow like a dark sider would have. Everything else afterward...well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer-Z Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I believe that Mace Windu did not fall and he would not have fallen if he had killed Palpatine. He was in control of his emotions and was acting for the good of the Republic. He is too devoted to preserving the Jedi, peace and the Republic to fall simply by killing someone to protect those things. He did try to kill Dooku on Geonosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkalius Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 In my opinion it would have been lightside to kill Sidious. Such a statement is not in a Jedi's vocabulary. Sidius was (seemingly) helpless and begging for his life. No Jedi, no matter how close to the dark side he may stray, would strike down an enemy in that position. No matter the repurcutions later on (he owns the courts ect...), never put passion before principle. That truly leads to the dark side. Anakin found this out to late. If Windu had spared Sidius, Anakin would not have struck him down... Sidius would have been arrested. From there what happens, who knows. But Yoda never gave up his principles to such an extreme degree for a short term victory. Windu was strong in the force but, at the moment of truth, he showed himself weak in character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkalius Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Attacking Mace Windu was not the first thing Anakin did that sealed his fate on the dark side... it was the last thing he did on the light side. He protected a prisoner from being murdered by a suddenly rogue Jedi (Windu). We know in hindsight that Sidius was anything but helpless... but Skywalker and Windu thought he was. Knowing what is right and doing what is right are not always exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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