tunewalker Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Before I go about making the decision, I would like to pose the same question to you all that I did last time. Which match is next? Darth Plagueis Darth Malak Agen Kolar Exar Kun Darth Bane Kit Fisto Darth Vader Count Dooku Dooku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 Dooku. Dooku, eh? I've been moving the brackets around a bit, but unfortunately there are going to be some heavily lopsided matches, especially for Vader, who will stay where he is otherwise he ends up facing someone that he's faced in the actual canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Dooku, eh? I've been moving the brackets around a bit, but unfortunately there are going to be some heavily lopsided matches, especially for Vader, who will stay where he is otherwise he ends up facing someone that he's faced in the actual canon. Ya we knew that was coming in before any of this started. And I chose Dooku cus we havent heard much of him in a while he is a really cool character and fun villian and come on its Christopher Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I'll go for Dooku too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Before I go about making the decision, I would like to pose the same question to you all that I did last time. Which match is next? Darth Plagueis Darth Malak Agen Kolar Exar Kun Darth Bane Kit Fisto Darth Vader Count DookuHoh? We just had Plagueis, and Malak isn't in the winner's bracket! As for my choice, something not lop-sided please. Edited February 4, 2014 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Hoh? We just had Plagueis, and Malak isn't in the winner's bracket! As for my choice, something not lop-sided please. Whoops! Edited Plagueis out of that list. Edit: The list shows all matches that I've written, not just winner's bracket. Edit #2: Taking your request into consideration, I plan to adjust the brackets to reduce the number of lopsided matches. Edited February 4, 2014 by Aurbere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Agen Kolar, because he totally bossed Sidious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Edit: The list shows all matches that I've written, not just winner's bracket. Oh I didn't realise we were jumping back and forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 Oh I didn't realise we were jumping back and forth. Not jumping back and forth per se, I'm just putting up the matches I have written (the list is about to change though, based on your request). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 OK, I just made some changes to the brackets to hopefully reduce lopsided matches. Here is a revised list: Agen Kolar Count Dooku Darth Vader Kit Fisto Vader, unfortunately, has to stay where he is, otherwise there is the chance for him to face someone he has already faced/defeated in the mythos. That should fix itself once we get into the later stages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 OK, I just made some changes to the brackets to hopefully reduce lopsided matches. Here is a revised list: Agen Kolar Count Dooku Darth Vader Kit Fisto Vader, unfortunately, has to stay where he is, otherwise there is the chance for him to face someone he has already faced/defeated in the mythos. That should fix itself once we get into the later stages. Since Dooku isnt off the list my vote stands . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowMudkip Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Bummer, I missed this one. Went on a little break and was away from the forums. Alas! just got to wait for the next one!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted February 5, 2014 Author Share Posted February 5, 2014 Bummer, I missed this one. Went on a little break and was away from the forums. Alas! just got to wait for the next one!. It's still open until I post the final decision. So by all means! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowMudkip Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 It's still open until I post the final decision. So by all means! Well then, here goes. Plagueis is definitely superior when it comes to force technique. Plagueis may not be a tactician, but he is still a Muun, and Muuns are very smart. If Malgus gets tunnel visioned, Plagueis can easily manipulate the situation to defeat Malgus. I think Plagueis wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted February 5, 2014 Author Share Posted February 5, 2014 Well then, here goes. Plagueis is definitely superior when it comes to force technique. Plagueis may not be a tactician, but he is still a Muun, and Muuns are very smart. If Malgus gets tunnel visioned, Plagueis can easily manipulate the situation to defeat Malgus. I think Plagueis wins. Your opinion has been noted. I'll be making the final decision tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osetto Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 While it seems clear that Plagueis is the favored combatant here, I thought I'd throw in some thoughts for Malgus. If Plagueis does indeed defeat Malgus, which it seems is likely, it should be because he earns an early advantage and presses it. Malgus is not presented as a warrior to to be beaten through exhaustion. He is a Sith in touch with his rage in a manner unmatched by any other (maybe not greater, or more powerful, but decidedly different). It is the man's source of power, and he has drawn upon it in such a way for such a time that I do not belief he could be blinded by it in a way other Sith might. He is depicted as a man forever improving himself through the fires of battle and I do not see something that has been advantageous to his progression as a Sith ever being turned against him in the manner some would suggest. If he is to be outmaneuvered, it is through situations surrounding a battle, in the preparation rather than the execution. In straight-forward combat, there is far less opportunity to place him in a disadvantageous situation that wasn't already present. Malgus' arc as a character is defined through improvement and adaptation. Wounds are either healed or supplanted with cybernetics. And none of his modifications have been shown to decrease his capabilities. Neither has his age. As such, Malgus has shown only improvement throughout his career, unburdened by setbacks or injuries. The SWTOR:E states that Malgus was regarded as one of the Empire's greatest warriors prior to the Great War's start, when he was still in his late-twenties. Now add thirty more years of training and progress, and you have a warrior beyond standard capabilities. He is not just a brutish warrior. He is also shown to possess a keen mind and an adaptability not present in his peers. He has found worth is the art of war and fighting outside of his own culture, like with the Kaleesh and Mandalorians. It stands to reason there is a chance that his fighting style incorporates ideas other Sith might consider non-traditional. Not subjecting himself to the same vacuum as other warriors of his time, his fighting potential could have been much higher than other Sith. Also, the nature of his defeat leaves more questions than answers. The mixture of game mechanics and story elements make it difficult to say how Malgus was truly defeated. If we go with the assumption that it actually was four of the Empire's greatest heroes banding together to bring him down, I believe that speaks only to his strength and abilities. A single combatant against four well-coordinated foes requires a great advantage if they hope to survive. Even if two of the foes weren't Force-sensitive, their presence, and the mixture of such wildly different fighting styles and methods could overwhelm even the most powerful Force user. Before meeting his end, Malgus faces his opponent in direct combat. No ambushes or tricks, just a straight-forward battle. And while an in-game fight cannot properly convey the flow of battle and how its participants react over the course of it, it believe it provides a hint of Malgus' ability. Particularly in the fact that he does not steadily decline until he expires. He holds steady, maintaining his power, and in his final moments actually becomes stronger, calling upon strong manifestations of the Force, unleashing powerful, steady streams of lightning. Malgus understands the Force. He knows how to use it, and he knows how to defend against it. He is a juggernaut, both the unstoppable force and the immovable object, as per his archetype. There is no 'X blows past his defenses' unless X is something he's never fought against or experienced before (something I believe within the power of Plagueis). He is not unbeatable, for from it. But in singles combat, without the usual behind the scenes maneuvering and manipulation, I believe he is a stronger contender in his prime than some would believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share Posted February 7, 2014 OK, folks. Here's the final decision. Since no scenarios were posted, I will hold the scenario for this one. Malgus is the superior duelist, certainly. Unfortunately for him, Plagueis would quickly recognize this and find a way to resort to his Force abilities. In this field, Plagueis would seize the advantage. Malgus is powerful, but he hasn't matched the awesome power that Plagueis has been unable to unleash at a moment's notice. Malgus can't match Plagueis in this area, and he would eventually falter under Plagueis' assault. This isn't to say that Malgus would just stand around and let it happen. He would respond in kind. He would put pressure on Plagueis. But Plagueis would eventually overpower Malgus, likely by bombarding Malgus with Force Waves and objects in the arena. Malgus can take a lot of punishment, but he is not invulnerable. I feel confident in declaring Darth Plagueis the victor. Comments and conclusions: I'm sure I don't have to tell everyone not to get upset over this. No decision is easy, but that's the way it always is. Malgus can compete with Plagueis, but he can't defeat him. Plagueis is the superior Sith Lord and would win a contest between the two. Malgus has not faced an enemy as powerful as Plagueis. In the end, Malgus met his match and faltered. Anyway, that's the final decision. The next battle has yet to be decided. If anyone would like to cast their vote, here's the list again: Satele Shan Ki-Adi Mundi Agen Kolar Count Dooku Exar Kun Darth Vader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Anyway I'm sure I don't have to tell everyone not to get upset over this. No decision is easy, but that's the way it always is. Malgus can compete with Plagueis, but he can't defeat him. Plagueis is the superior Sith Lord and would win a contest between the two. Malgus has not faced an enemy as powerful as Plagueis. In the end, Malgus met his match and faltered.To be quite honest I think most of us though Plagueis would win, it was just a question of how badly. Anyways, I'd vote... Count Dooku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I think Dooku is the Sure-in for the next match at this rate . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share Posted February 7, 2014 Dooku seems the favorite. I must confess something pre-match. It's not entirely even, but it is the closest one I could give him based on the rest of the combatants. Originally, Dooku was going to face Shaak Ti, but I changed it early on because I believed Ventress vs. Ti would be a much more interesting contest. In hindsight, switching Ti and Dooku's opponent would have made both matches very interesting. Anyway, I'll see if more people vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I'll go for Dooku too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) Ki-Adi Mundi sounds good to me. Edited February 7, 2014 by Silenceo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Dooku seems the favorite. I must confess something pre-match. It's not entirely even, but it is the closest one I could give him based on the rest of the combatants. Originally, Dooku was going to face Shaak Ti, but I changed it early on because I believed Ventress vs. Ti would be a much more interesting contest. In hindsight, switching Ti and Dooku's opponent would have made both matches very interesting. Anyway, I'll see if more people vote. You mean doing Ventress vs Dooku? 0.0 Now granted, she was far more on his level by her "death" than after the Savage Incident, but I can't see that matchup going any other way than Dooku's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) You mean doing Ventress vs Dooku? 0.0 Now granted, she was far more on his level by her "death" than after the Savage Incident, but I can't see that matchup going any other way than Dooku's Perhaps I misspoke. I meant Ventress vs. Dooku's current opponent. Dooku would beat Ventress any time any day, because he is Sir Christopher Lee. And you don't mess with Sir Christopher Lee. Edited February 7, 2014 by Aurbere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Perhaps I misspoke. I meant Ventress vs. Dooku's current opponent. Dooku would beat Ventress any time any day, because he is Sir Christopher Lee. And you don't mess with Sir Christopher Lee. So very true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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