Bugattiboy Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 With the buffs to some relics in GS have the BiS relics for sentinels changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atschai Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) Not for Watchman, self healing double procs still work for Underworld/Kell Dragon SA and Dread Forged FR, even those 2 equipped simulatneously with FR having been bolstered through the roof. I even spec into left tree heals on cauterize in Carnage and Focus because of that. Heres some hard numbers for 2.5 patch: Kell Dragon SA with self-heal, Uptime increased to 48%: 316 AP/120 DPS Underworld SA with self-heal, 48% uptime: 291 AP/111 DPS Arkanian SA with self-heal, 48% uptime: 269 AP/102 DPS Dread Forged SA : 240 AP/92 DPS Kell Dragon SA: 198 AP/75 DPS Obroan SA: 191 AP/73 DPS Underworld SA: 182 AP/69 DPS Arkanian SA: 168 AP/64 DPS Dread Forged FR, self-heal, uptime 70% with 9% Mainstatstat: 406 AP /154 DPS Dread Forged FR, self-heal, uptime 70% : 375 AP /143 DPS Obroan FR, self-heal, uptime 70% with 9% Mainstatstat: 331 AP /126 DPS Obroan FR, self-heal, uptime 70%: 305 AP / 116 DPS Dread Forged FR with 9% Mainstatstat: 259 AP / 98 DPS Dread Forged FR: 240 AP / 92 DPS Obroan FR with 9% Mainstatstat: 207 AP /79 DPS Obroan FR: 191 AP / 73 DPS Kell Dragon internal damage proc: 173 AP/66 DPS Kell Drache kinetic: 163 AP/62 DPS Kell Drache kinetic, Combat, armor pen: 185 AP/70 DPS Dread Forged AP Klick: 162 AP/62 DPS Kell Dragon AP Klick: 151 AP/57 DPS Edited December 4, 2013 by atschai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugattiboy Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 (edited) Wait there's an SA relic that will heal you in addition to the power proc? And what do you mean by "self healing double procs"? Edited December 5, 2013 by Bugattiboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Wait there's an SA relic that will heal you in addition to the power proc? And what do you mean by "self healing double procs"? The Underworld & Kell Dragon SA relics will proc independently from damage you do as well as heals done through DoT crits. As a result you will see a higher uptime of the buff for these two relics so much so that both of these relics are superior to the Dread Forged SA relic for Watchman. Check out this explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugattiboy Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 So, what you two are saying is that the Kell Dragon and Underworld SA relics are BiS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazerxxx Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 So, what you two are saying is that the Kell Dragon and Underworld SA relics are BiS? The kell dragon power proc + the dread forged main stat proc is the bis combination for annihilation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugattiboy Posted December 7, 2013 Author Share Posted December 7, 2013 The Underworld & Kell Dragon SA relics will proc independently from damage you do as well as heals done through DoT crits. As a result you will see a higher uptime of the buff for these two relics so much so that both of these relics are superior to the Dread Forged SA relic for Watchman. Check out this explanation. From what I understood from that spreadsheet it looks have to 2 DF FR relics gives the highest total DPS benefit. But how does that work? You can't stack proc relics of the same type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 From what I understood from that spreadsheet it looks have to 2 DF FR relics gives the highest total DPS benefit. But how does that work? You can't stack proc relics of the same type. Each relic is evaluated independently. So the DF and Obroan DF relics independently offer the greatest DPS benefit. However, as you rightfully assert they can no work together so you need to pick another relic to use with one of these DF relics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellionFBI Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 I have the Obroan SA and the DF main stat proc, and I can say that these don't share any kind of CD they proc together all the time, and the DF relic actually procs twice sometimes, once for heals and once for DPS. I want to try the DF SA and see if works the same, if so I'd consider this BiS - with a Boundless Ages to click before fights and then relic swap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 I have the Obroan SA and the DF main stat proc, and I can say that these don't share any kind of CD they proc together all the time, and the DF relic actually procs twice sometimes, once for heals and once for DPS. I want to try the DF SA and see if works the same, if so I'd consider this BiS - with a Boundless Ages to click before fights and then relic swap. The DF SA relic does not proc independently from damage and heals. However, the KD and Underworld do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atschai Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 I have the Obroan SA and the DF main stat proc, and I can say that these don't share any kind of CD they proc together all the time, and the DF relic actually procs twice sometimes, once for heals and once for DPS. I want to try the DF SA and see if works the same, if so I'd consider this BiS - with a Boundless Ages to click before fights and then relic swap. Keep in mind that if you swap relics, they cannot proc for one minute. It is the same CD as for boundless ages, only that it is invisible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugattiboy Posted December 9, 2013 Author Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) The DF SA relic does not proc independently from damage and heals. However, the KD and Underworld do. I have an Underworld SA relic. I don't ever see myself ever getting the NiM bosses that have the KD relics down and winning it. So once I get a DF FR relic am I practically BiS for relics until EA ****s with the math and/or effects again? Edited December 9, 2013 by Bugattiboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 I have an Underworld SA relic. I don't ever see myself ever getting the NiM bosses that have the KD relics down and winning it. So once I get a DF FR relic am I practically BiS for relics until EA ****s with the math and/or effects again? Yes. In the meantime you could get an Obroan FR relic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Max Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 DF FR + DF SA are BiS for Combat Sentinel now I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusFTW Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 (edited) Got Dread Forged Focused Retribution today and was dissapointed to discover that for watchman (my favourite spec) , the Obroan Focused Retribution (which i was using before) currently is better for that spec since it procs twice for both dmg and heals while DF version doesn't i just assumed they'd have the same bug . Then I read this thread and found out that underworld/KD procs separably for both as well so bought a underworld one to test... (i was using an obroan before which doesn't) and right enough.. more dps with underworld SA+ Obroan focused Retribution...Even though the procs give less stats then my obroan SA+ DF FR they proc way more often from the heals as well as the dps giving way more dps. So i guess Obroan FR + the Kell Dragon SA would be possible BIS for watchman in the current bugged state of relic? Obviously for combat its alot simpler (DF FR+ SA . ) Bioware you so confusing Edited December 11, 2013 by AngusFTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Got Dread Forged Focused Retribution today and was dissapointed to discover that for watchman (my favourite spec) , the Obroan Focused Retribution (which i was using before) currently is better for that spec since it procs twice for both dmg and heals while DF version doesn't i just assumed they'd have the same bug . Then I read this thread and found out that underworld/KD procs separably for both as well so bought a underworld one to test... (i was using an obroan before which doesn't) and right enough.. more dps with underworld SA+ Obroan focused Retribution...Even though the procs give less stats then my obroan SA+ DF FR they proc way more often from the heals as well as the dps giving way more dps. So i guess Obroan FR + the Kell Dragon SA would be possible BIS for watchman in the current bugged state of relic? Obviously for combat its alot simpler (DF FR+ SA . ) Bioware you so confusing I was under the impression that the DF FR relic proc'ed independently from heals and damage. This would manifest itself as procs longer than 12s and more frequent than every 20s. This parse from Doko of DiLiH shows exactly this behavior. To be fair, that parse was just after patch 2.4.3. There has been nothing in the patch notes to indicate that this would have changed, but BW could have ninja-fixed it. If you have a parse showing something different will you please post it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusFTW Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 (edited) ah crap my bad tested it again today and it seemed to function the same way as obroan.. must have forgot about the cd changing the relics in my tiredness Should really stop testing things at 2am.. the UW and KD SA info is nice though improved my dps switching form obroan to uw Edited December 11, 2013 by AngusFTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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