The REAL Most Powerful Jedi Lightsaber Duelists

[tunewalker]

But the difference here is that the Jedi of the NJO era were very hands on. Kyle Katarn didn't gain his title my studying holocrons and perusing the Jedi Library, he by testing and improving his skills against other opponents i.e. through experience. The same can be said of all the Jedi.

 

But if Kyle Katarn has in fact been bested by Corran Horn in pure lightsaber combat, then I'll concede that point.

 

Luke always gave the job to the person that was most right for it. Kyle had more experience in weapons other then lightsabers then all 3 of them and the NJO did see the need for more then saber combat as such he wanted his students to be adept at fighting with or against all types of weapons Kyle was the best one to teach them that with out making them to radical.

Edited September 17, 2013 by tunewalker

[fellblade]

Definitely Plo Koon Over Kit Fisto in my opinion

 

I am not that convinced with Kit Fisto and he has never really impressed me. Also I hate the Terrible Mistakes the writers have made justifying his success against Grievous - not knowing the difference between 4 opponents and 1 Opponent using 4 Lightsabers

 

I personally would not call him the Exar Kun of Shii Cho (you can't 'Exar Kun' Shii Cho) - simply because Niman is a style based on Flexibility Versatility and Individual potential - it has a lot of room to grow and Change

Shii Cho is about sticking to more Solid Fundamentals and keeping it simple - it simply does not have the type of potential or versatility and room to grow as other styles because if you stray too far from the fundamentals then it is not Shii Cho.

One is the most Potentially Unlimited Style the Other is the most Potentially Limited Style.

 

Pretty much everyone learns Shii Cho first and then moves on to other forms (so everyone will have some basic familiarity with it) - I liken this to when I did fencing - We learned Foil first (as most Schools do) then I Moved on to Epee and Saber. Some people did just stick with foil and were very good at it.

However if I was to use my Saber against their Foil I would beat them simply because the Saber is a superior duelling system (for example say They did 2 years of Foil and I did 1 year of Foil and 1 Year of Saber) - I would be practiced against defending against point attacks (even if I had no prior foil training) - as they do exist in Saber - but I would give them fits with my Edge Attacks - which they are not suited to defend against because a) they don't exist in Foil and b) the Foil wards are not suited to defending against the angles and leverage of Saber Cuts.

 

Perhaps he can beat some people of other styles - but this would most likely be down to that fact that they are not overly skilled at that style (which theoretically should have mechanical advantages over Shii Cho) or Physical Factors such as he does seem to be Quick which seems to be quite a bearing to his success. However he will have a steep dropoff the more skilled an opponent is.

 

Plo Koon being a Master of Djem So - Would be a more formidable fighter as Djem So is a Specialised Duelling Style which is designed to Dominate/Nullify other styles. A Style that is difficult to counter - even if you know what is coming (that sure makes a effective style)

 

Darth Maul an unbiased (in fact biased against the Jedi) 3rd Party had Very High Regard for Plo Koon's duelling Skills and mentions him in the same breath as Mace Windu .

Also, I can't help but fell that Plo Koon would have done better (alongside Windu) against Sidious than Fisto did.

 

Aubere mentioned the difference between them fighting Ventress.

Adding to this - Ventress was able to watch Fisto fight and she was able to figure out his style on this viewing

and would have killed him had Obi Wan not Interfered - Again, Illustrating that whatever he did with Shii Cho - it really couldn't be taken to that overly advanced or Complex a level If she could work him out so quickly.......

 

Surely Fisto can't be in the Top 10 greatest Jedi Duellists of all time?

[fellblade]

Also,

 

I should be getting my computer back today so I will try and find that Qui Gon quote if it does exist before I start my Total War campaign.

[Beniboybling]

Surely Fisto can't be in the Top 10 greatest Jedi Duellists of all time?

You make some good points, however I don't think we can disregard the fact that Fisto took what was meant to be a training form inferior to all other forms and made it viable, if not deadly. Which in my opinion is very impressive. It was this that earned him the title of one of the greatest swordsman in the Jedi Order.

 

However the fact that Ventress was able to analyse his form so easily, is a good point. However we also have to remember that Shii-Cho is weak against Makashi anyway, as well as single opponents.

 

Concerning Koon, I just don't feel being good at what you do is enough to elicit a place on this list.

 

And finally, I think we should reconsider Vodo-Siosk Baas. His mastery over the lightsaber dueling arts are incredible, and he is easily the second greatest duelist of his era. He's ambidextrous, a weapons master, an artisan, he trained lightsaber prodigy Exar Kun, whom in schooled in combat as an apprentice. And was only defeated when Kun through sheer power of the Force combined with an fighting style and blade variant completely alien to him.

 

If not Fisto, then I would nominate Baas.

Edited September 19, 2013 by Beniboybling

[Beniboybling]

Also,

 

I should be getting my computer back today so I will try and find that Qui Gon quote if it does exist before I start my Total War campaign.

Please do!

 

I can't help but think Jinn deserves a place on this list.

[Wolfninjajedi]

Also,

 

I should be getting my computer back today so I will try and find that Qui Gon quote if it does exist before I start my Total War campaign.

 

I still dunno if your gonna find it, given the other two sources...though if they are wrong that is weird cause they should check it. But meh...if you find it that is nice, though my other point still stands of when did they fight.

[LadyKulvax]

You make some good points, however I don't think we can disregard the fact that Fisto took what was meant to be a training form inferior to all other forms and made it viable, if not deadly. Which in my opinion is very impressive. It was this that earned him the title of one of the greatest swordsman in the Jedi Order.

 

However the fact that Ventress was able to analyse his form so easily, is a good point. However we also have to remember that Shii-Cho is weak against Makashi anyway, as well as single opponents.

 

Concerning Koon, I just don't feel being good at what you do is enough to elicit a place on this list.

 

And finally, I think we should reconsider Vodo-Siosk Baas. His mastery over the lightsaber dueling arts are incredible, and he is easily the second greatest duelist of his era. He's ambidextrous, a weapons master, an artisan, he trained lightsaber prodigy Exar Kun, whom in schooled in combat as an apprentice. And was only defeated when Kun through sheer power of the Force combined with an fighting style and blade variant completely alien to him.

 

If not Fisto, then I would nominate Baas.

 

I know it is meant to be strictly based of canon feats, but I would frankly nominate Baas over Fisto just to give this list variety.

[Aurbere]

And finally, I think we should reconsider Vodo-Siosk Baas. His mastery over the lightsaber dueling arts are incredible, and he is easily the second greatest duelist of his era. He's ambidextrous, a weapons master, an artisan, he trained lightsaber prodigy Exar Kun, whom in schooled in combat as an apprentice. And was only defeated when Kun through sheer power of the Force combined with an fighting style and blade variant completely alien to him.

 

If not Fisto, then I would nominate Baas.

 

Except for the fact that he isn't.

[LadyKulvax]

Except for the fact that he isn't.

 

Yeh that probably goes to Ulic Qel-Droma thinking about it.

[Beniboybling]

I know it is meant to be strictly based of canon feats, but I would frankly nominate Baas over Fisto just to give this list variety.

Well in all honesty, I feel we have enough information to legitimize it. We don't know what form Baas wielded, but it was good enough to school Exar Kun himself in lightsaber combat and make him the best in the Order. And unlike Fisto it had no notable flaws.

 

I'd assume that his form was Niman, and that he taught it to Kun If that is the case then Baas' mastery likely stretched over all seven forms of lightsaber combat. And as a Battlemaster this is something of a given.

 

Really I just think, as Exar Kun's master, he deserves a position on the list.

[Beniboybling]

Yeh that probably goes to Ulic Qel-Droma thinking about it.

I don't know about that. Baas schooled Kun as an apprentice until he reverted to a unfamiliar form, and Baas matched Kun at a Sith Lord until he drew his second blade. Droma has no suprises he can overwhelm Baas with, and I expect Baas would defeat him in combat. Edited September 19, 2013 by Beniboybling

[Beniboybling]

Except for the fact that he isn't.

Is so.

[Aurbere]

Is so.

 

Is not.

 

And don't say he is!

[Beniboybling]

Is not.

 

And don't say he is!

Then who is?

[Selenial]

Then who is?

 

Definitely Baas.

 

The double blade didn't even catch him off guard, IMO it was the shortening and lengthening of his blade that did it, double blades were staff like, and Baas sure knows his way around a staff.

[Beniboybling]

Definitely Baas.

 

The double blade didn't even catch him off guard, IMO it was the shortening and lengthening of his blade that did it, double blades were staff like, and Baas sure knows his way around a staff.

Well actually Exar Kun's blade was really nothing like a staff because of its design and the manner in which he wielded it. But yes, Baas is easily the second best duelist of the era and I think I'd even place him above Fisto at #9.

[Aurbere]

Then who is?

 

Ulic Qel-Droma.

[Beniboybling]

Ulic Qel-Droma.

No he ain't, see post #261.

[Selenial]

Well actually Exar Kun's blade was really nothing like a staff because of its design and the manner in which he wielded it. But yes, Baas is easily the second best duelist of the era and I think I'd even place him above Fisto at #9.

 

Ehh, the point was Generic saber staffs weren't a weakness of his. Like I said, Kun wielded it very unorthodoxly, not the norm.

[Aurbere]

No he ain't, see post #261.

 

Post 261 obviously shows that the poster hasn't studied the many Kun vs. Baas battles in depth.

[Beniboybling]

Ehh, the point was Generic saber staffs weren't a weakness of his. Like I said, Kun wielded it very unorthodoxly, not the norm.

Exactly, Ulic has nothing that can catch Baas off guard. Any duel between them would play out much like the Duel in the Senate before Kun draw his second blade. In which Baas "effortlessly" held his own, but was unable to defeat Kun. Accept Ulic being an inferior duelist will not be able to match Baas' skill. Baas will eventually defeat him.

 

Regardless, its irrelevant as Ulic can't be considered for this list. What are our opinions on #9?

[Beniboybling]

Post 261 obviously shows that the poster hasn't studied the many Kun vs. Baas battles in depth.

EDIT: Whatever. Lets just move on. Edited September 19, 2013 by Beniboybling

[Aurbere]

EDIT: Whatever. Lets just move on.

 

Apologies, I think I came off as aggressive there.

 

Let me just say this: Ulic Qel-Droma was considered the best duelist in the galaxy until Exar Kun came along.

 

Edit: Also, I think Cay received that accolade as well.

Edited September 19, 2013 by Aurbere

[Beniboybling]

Let me just say this: Ulic Qel-Droma was considered the best duelist in the galaxy until Exar Kun came along.

But Exar Kun came before Droma...

[Aurbere]

But Exar Kun came before Droma...

 

Umm... no?