Aurbere Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I see the 6-8 as this: 6. Exar Kun/Vader 7. Vader/Exar Kun 8. Dooku I'm going to go ahead an nominate a few for the last spots. Darth Maul Asajj Ventress Qui-Gon Jinn Kit Fisto Shaak Ti Plo Koon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I see the 6-8 as this: 6. Exar Kun/Vader 7. Vader/Exar Kun 8. Dooku Actually just do this...seeing as were not gonna budge, just have Vader and Kun be in the same spot then to compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Actually just do this...seeing as were not gonna budge, just have Vader and Kun be in the same spot then to compromise. I've always seen them on an even field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 (edited) I've always seen them on an even field. Even Jensaarai declares them Even... If he can't make his mind up, we won't be able to either Edited August 15, 2013 by Selenial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 Actually just do this...seeing as were not gonna budge, just have Vader and Kun be in the same spot then to compromise.I'd rather not, I want this list to be definitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 (edited) Actually just do this...seeing as were not gonna budge, just have Vader and Kun be in the same spot then to compromise. If we do that I think we have totally destroyed rules set in when Beni started this whole series. Me and Beni are for Kun at no.6, the reasoning being displayed beforehand with no true counter-arguments towards it. Anyone else want to agree or would anyone care to make a serious counter-argument post to tell us why no.6 shouldn't go to Kun. I mean he mastered a form to a degree no one had ever before done or has since, that made him a master of Forms I-V and then mastered Ataru to a greater degree directly and then mastered Form VII Juyo combat, not to mention mastering Jar'kai combat. Not to mention he did all this with no help and practically invented certain forms and techniques or at the very least established them. Edited August 15, 2013 by LadyKulvax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 I've always seen them on an even field.Well, in all fairness, they are. Both practitioners have absolutely deadly applications of there respective forms, however I feel Exar Kun simply possesses a greater knowledge of the forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 (edited) Not like I haven't made arguments....but fine w/e you want Kun at 6 there ya go, seeing as no one else is with me on this. But really...they just seem even, though Vader gets 7 I won't budge on that. Edit: Beni, Vader too has vast knowledge of all the lightsaber forms, how does Kun when he doesn't know them? He was only around a time, when a few saber forms were around was he not? Edited August 15, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 I've got to make a decision here, and I feel the arguments made for Kun are stronger. So for now lets place Kun as #6. I'm not sure if its necessary (its probably is) but some opinions on the next few spots are welcome. IMO it should be Vader #7 and Dooku #8. And just for the record, I'd nominate Obi-Wan for #9. But at the same time, we shouldn't neglect the NJO era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Not like I haven't made arguments....but fine w/e you want Kun at 6 there ya go, seeing as no one else is with me on this. But really...they just seem even, though Vader gets 7 I won't budge on that. Edit: Beni, Vader too has vast knowledge of all the lightsaber forms, how does Kun when he doesn't know them? He was only around a time, when a few saber forms were around was he not? I never stated you didn't make an argument but they certainly didn't take down other arguments for Kun. Also Niman is basically a combination of Forms I-V, normally this makes you moderately good at each of those forms, what Kun did was take it to it's highest degree and therefore mastered I-V, he then took on Ataru specifically and incorporated Juyo. You see, Kun pretty much put those missing forms on the map, as well as new weapon styles and and weapon wielding techniques such as the double-bladed lightsaber and the Jar'kai technique. He did something better than learn of them, be basically put them on the map as widespread techniques and forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 (edited) Also Niman is basically a combination of Forms I-V, normally this makes you moderately good at each of those forms, what Kun did was take it to it's highest degree and therefore mastered I-V, he then took on Ataru specifically and incorporated Juyo. Ok and Vader didn't have his own combination of fighting style and didn't master it to its highest degree? Edited August 15, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Here's the thing that I'm seeing with this list: they are all SO close. Even our assumed #8 can hold his own against our #2. That's how close the guys on this list are going to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 You guys would probably hate me for this, but what about Jaina Solo for no.7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 Edit: Beni, Vader too has vast knowledge of all the lightsaber forms, how does Kun when he doesn't know them? He was only around a time, when a few saber forms were around was he not?All seven lightsaber forms had been invented by Kun's time. Admittedly Juyo was in its infancy, but it would seem Kun mastered it to a greater extent that Vader. He was effectively a swordmaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 You guys would probably hate me for this, but what about Jaina Solo for no.7? ... You're right. LOL! JK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 Even Jensaarai declares them Even... If he can't make his mind up, we won't be able to either While I don't want to question the Jensaarai's knowledge, he doesn't take into account Kun's mastery over Juyo and Ataru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lugosi Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I'm going to go ahead an nominate a few for the last spots. Darth Maul Asajj Ventress Qui-Gon Jinn Kit Fisto Shaak Ti Plo Koon I think Depa Billaba could take most of these guys. If she rivals Windu's skill with a saber, how did she not make the list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 (edited) All seven lightsaber forms had been invented by Kun's time. Admittedly Juyo was in its infancy, but it would seem Kun mastered it to a greater extent that Vader. He was effectively a swordmaster. Ok and Vader wasn't? On that note, Vader has shown to be good with weapons other then a lightsaber just to point out, most noting he was good with a vibrostaff. Edited August 15, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 You guys would probably hate me for this, but what about Jaina Solo for no.7?Lol, I thought you said #9. Then I realised. Put forward some evidence and we shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I think Depa Billaba could take most of these guys. If she rivals Windu's skill with a saber, how did she not make the list? When did she rival Windu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Lol, I thought you said #9. Then I realised. Put forward some evidence and we shall see. That may take some arguing, tough arguing, but I'll do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 That may take some arguing, tough arguing, but I'll do it. I don't think that's such a good idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 While I don't want to question the Jensaarai's knowledge, he doesn't take into account Kun's mastery over Juyo and Ataru. Then Again, he also quite openly states Kun relies heavily on the force to be as formidable as he is... Then again, I guess if we allow Yoda the force to augment his abilities, Kun gets it too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 (edited) I will open with some rather basic arguing. Caedus could equal GM Luke Skywalker in a duel and ROTJ Luke Skywalker defeated Vader, Vader used everything he had to take down his son in that final battle but still lost. And then we have the fact that Jaina could hold her own against Caedus, someone more than a match for Luke. I just re-read Invincible, the book depicting the final battle between the twins and it seemed pretty even to me. Caedus has the advantage of the Force, but he also had the disadvantage of not giving a damn about this fight and having a hand missing and a hole through his stomach. Caedus could solo Katarn and easily take down other Jedi, yet Jaina he found incredibly difficult to kill off with any ease, she matched him in outright close combat. And Jaina got even better, a lot better, after her battle with Caedus, she fulfilled Luke's title as Sword of the Jedi. Now even if Caedus wasn't really paying her much attention, it says a lot that she could still effectively battle him when the likes of Katarn with multiple Jedi could do next to nothing to him and he himself could more than match GM Luke Skywalker. What weigh this all holds is of course up to you guys. Edited August 15, 2013 by LadyKulvax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Wasn't Caedus also severely injured in that fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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