I_Sithed_MyPants Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Still don't know if I'm using the right rotation, heat management is a bit hard, right now I'm using: 1-Death from above 2-Flame burst 3-Incendiary missle 4-Retractable blade 5-Rail shot 6-Rocket punch 7-Flame thrower (with 3 stacks of prototype flame thrower) Don't use Incendiary Missile, Death from Above isn't a priority. Try this priority list: 1. CGC dot, aka Flame Burst (you deal more dmg to burning targets, also your spam attack) 2. Retractable Blade dot (you deal more dmg to bleeding targets) 3. Rail shot (ppa proc usually) 4. Flamethrower (3 stacks ProtoFlamethrower) 5. Rapid Shots 6. Shoulder Cannon every time you can. 7. Death From Above when AOE dps is needed. Even with proper priorities you'll always be behind even less skilled Marauders of Snipers. The situation is dire and Bioware doesn't care, just make a Sniper or Marauder and be happy with your dps for ever. RIP PT DPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raekor Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I started leveling a PT DPS Regret it completely Until you get the talent that vents heat on Rail Shotting a burning target they can be very annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Sithed_MyPants Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I started leveling a PT DPS Regret it completely Stop where you are, delete the character, start again with a mara or sniper, you won't regret it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Sithed_MyPants Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 (edited) I don't think that is a problem with Rail Shot, I think that is because the Anomalies hps have scaled so much differently to damage output. Their hps has trippled (I think?), our damage has gone up about 50-100% (we have already established my memory is bad, but I could have sworn that with full BiS rail shot average hit was 2.2-2.3K). If you look at the logs I posted it seems to be getting an average hit of about 4K (minimum that wasn't due to a mistimed shot at the break dancing Kell Dragon of 3K). I didn't have the 8% damage on that either (got that last night yay). I'll set a reminder to upload my logs from tonight's run to see what the extra gear does. Also to the person who suggested swapping out the 2% personal damage reduction for 5% targeted in the tanking tree I had some discussions with guildy's. That debuff doesn't stack, all tank classes pretty much get it, so we decided it wasn't worth swapping over. The 2% melee and ranged defence in the Pyro tree was pretty much decided that it didn't matter. Can go into either one as there are adds that can be slowed, but neither is very useful in an op. Saying that, I wish I had of changed it for last night when I was forced to DPS tank Terror for 3 turns. Great healers to keep me up through that. Greetings again! I'll look at the logs when I get up, but it's like 5am here, and I need to sleep, I'm guessing you're American or something? In my group, the marauder who takes the anomalies usually kills his maybe 5 - 10 seconds before I kill mine. Before 2.0 I'm sure I used to see around 7k crits on RS against the anomalies, now I'm lucky if I see a 5k crit. Whereas the Marauders if in Carnage can get around a 9k crit on their Force Scream. Yeah, of course the Anomalies hp has scaled with the difficulty, but the armor pen on rail shot was also reduced, meaning our burst is lowered from that. Then people using the 8 / 22 / 16 build miss out of then Surge increases in the pyro tree so burst is slightly lowered in that in favour of getting ProtoFlamethrower. The other nerf which was to CGC also hit us badly, some people calculate it to be a 50% nerf, but I believe it's more like 30%, that also makes our dmg lower with the lesser dot ticks. Also the reduced cost of IM is nice, however it is still a useless dot, did they reduce the damage or something? combat logging on my ship dummy showed me it was actually a dps increase to not even use IM. Finally back to my usual point. If a dps is needed for serious progression why should a PT be taken over a mara / sniper? ATM they offer nothing to a raid group other than complaints about how their dps has been nerfed. Edited May 9, 2013 by I_Sithed_MyPants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raekor Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Greetings again! I'll look at the logs when I get up, but it's like 5am here, and I need to sleep, I'm guessing you're American or something? Yeah, of course the Anomalies hp has scaled with the difficulty, but the armor pen on rail shot was also reduced, meaning our burst is lowered from that. Then people using the 8 / 22 / 16 build miss out of then Surge increases in the pyro tree so burst is slightly lowered in that in favour of getting ProtoFlamethrower. The other nerf which was to CGC also hit us badly, some people calculate it to be a 50% nerf, but I believe it's more like 30%, that also makes our dmg lower with the lesser dot ticks. Also the reduced cost of IM is nice, however it is still a useless dot, did they reduce the damage or something? combat logging on my ship dummy showed me it was actually a dps increase to not even use IM. Finally back to my usual point. If a dps is needed for serious progression why should a PT be taken over a mara / sniper? ATM they offer nothing to a raid group other than complaints about how their dps has been nerfed. Western Australia, so midday here now. I agree with you that IM is pretty much useless. I'll only use it sub 30% due to my build going up that far in Pyro, and when it's free with all cool downs. Even then if my heat is a little higher than intended I'll use TSO on Flameburst for the hope of proc'ing Rail Shot. CGC I can't remember what it used to hit for. I thought it was around 300-350, so the 415 (404 on the old logs) it currently is hitting for is a smaller upgrade for 5 new levels than other abilities seem to be. Only really comparing to Rail Shot there though. In regards to progression that would be up to the guild. Mine has no problem with me bringing my PT, but if it was obvious that PT's couldn't cut it (which to me they are capable) then I would switch to one of my other characters like I switched from my Merc to the PT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden_Archer Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Nice tread For all u guys out there in hybrid with no idea of the rotation: Opener: TSO+IM, RB, RS, FB~PPA, RS Rotation: 1) Flame Burst 2) Retractable Blade 3) Rail Shot 4) Flame Burstx2~PPA 5) Flamethrower 6) Rail Shot (U will have about 1 second to use RS after FT here, otherwise CGC dot will wear off) 7) Rocket Punch 8) Rail Shot 1)~ I've been using this build, and this rotation, since PTS. And managed to outdps maras/snipers in my ops few times. PT is not that good as mara/sniper, no, but we still can give good numbers P.S. My personal note - It's better to gear in power-accuracy(110% tech) and forget about crit/surge while in this build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritch_A Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I still continue to out dps the mara and sniper in our ops using this hybrid but its a lot closer now and in a few fights they do actually beat me which pre 2.0 never happened. All in all a PT is still up there but you have to work a lot harder to get any decent numbers out of the class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raekor Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 OK, went again tonight. Lagging a bit, but still did better with the 4 set piece. Gear and the spec for the fight: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/character/097cce6a-3e89-4773-8728-d681559b0689 Dash'roode - http://www.torparse.com/a/218197/3/0/Damage+Dealt Titan 6 - http://www.torparse.com/a/218197/7/0/Damage+Dealt Thrasher (I got to be up the top and we are lazy and don't jump back down) - http://www.torparse.com/a/218195/2/0/Damage+Dealt Council - http://www.torparse.com/a/218195/16/0/Damage+Dealt Styrak - http://www.torparse.com/a/218195/20/0/Damage+Dealt Average damage per Rail Shot 4.4-5.1K dependent on the fight. Burning averaging for 600-700 per tick. The only fight that anybody said anything about was Styrak. Carnage Marauder got 2683 and the sniper said 2200. The other PT didn't say, but his gear isn't near mine so I believe it was less. Considering I'm nearly only ever hitting 3 buttons I think it is pretty good. I'm sure others could do better, or better still with a proper spec, but it works more than well enough for everything we can currently do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hizoka Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 with full 72's im bursting at 3.2kdps and sustaining 2.1k dps as pyro spec i posted and thats single target in aoe im bursting 4kdps-6kdps cause combustible ticks on flame sweep and talent to increase damage done to targets on fire. very mobile in the hybrid spec i posted its not bursting at all but i am sustaining 2.2-2.3k dps single target and about as aoe friendly as a rock. not very mobile in full ap did not test a maxed out rotation for AoE how ever i was only capable of achieving 1.9k dps single target and i think that maybe caused by my pve set bonus increasing rail shot damage and not helping rocket punch. 50/50 mobile long as retractable blades applied best talent ever flame sweep applies combustible gas cylinder you are playing AP wrong then... i am in all 29s and do 2300 single target. ON to op of that in AoE i can break 4500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardonyyx Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 you are playing AP wrong then... i am in all 29s and do 2300 single target. ON to op of that in AoE i can break 4500 Wow 2300, while snipers( myself included) are pulling almost 2900 in the same gear, and I don't even want to know how ridiculous their aoe damage is...LOL. But there's nothing wrong with the PT right Hizoka? Everyone who thinks that just sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raekor Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Wow 2300, while snipers( myself included) are pulling almost 2900 in the same gear, and I don't even want to know how ridiculous their aoe damage is...LOL. But there's nothing wrong with the PT right Hizoka? Everyone who thinks that just sucks. I'd like to see the log of the boss fight that you got that in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hizoka Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I'd like to see the log of the boss fight that you got that in. he did it exploiting on a dummy. if he was even able to get that close... which i doubt. anyone can cheat and win.... but thats what bad players have to do they have to cheat in order to be equal to acutal players who know what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raekor Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 he did it exploiting on a dummy. if he was even able to get that close... which i doubt. anyone can cheat and win.... but thats what bad players have to do they have to cheat in order to be equal to acutal players who know what they are doing. I'm thinking full BiS and a loaded group a Marauder or Sniper could do it on HM Styrak judging by the 2.7K they are already getting. I'm think a properly played and spec'd PT could probably get 2.7K in the same situation considering I'm really not that good, and I'm the 3 button spec which will do less. 7% difference. Was it 5% difference or 10% difference BW were aiming for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardonyyx Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 he did it exploiting on a dummy. if he was even able to get that close... which i doubt. anyone can cheat and win.... but thats what bad players have to do they have to cheat in order to be equal to acutal players who know what they are doing. Lmao, if you call having a pve and a pvp relic of SA cheating, then yes, I'm a cheater. Sue me, and it was on Thrasher..where i got 2900...though i think it was like 2880something, i stayed on the boss the whole time and only put my plasma probe up on the snipers like maybe once. If i find the log I will surely upload it. Though it was a while ago ill have to do some digging to find the raid key we used for it. Now Hizoka, I know you think everyone else but you sucks and that they also use exploits but I can tell you that there are plenty of people with skill out there who can do that, myself included, if you don't believe me (which I'm sure you don't) go look at the sniper forums at some of the uploaded parses. Contribute for once please, instead of just cutting people you don't know down. Thanks =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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