Slowpokeking Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I think his Force Technique had become much more powerful, but his mobility limited his lightsaber skills. He had no advantage against the old Obi Wan before Obi Wan gave up the fight and almost got beaten by Maul's clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalonVII Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Problem is, vader had to almost completely relearn how to use a lightsaber. Plus it was shown that having robotic parts instead of full flesh and blood weakens your connection to the force. It's just vader/anakin was so strong in the force, it brought him down in power. Infact vader was actually no stronger than he was before he became encased in the suit. Had he not become encased in the suit, he'd of been much stronger by the time of EP IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) Vastly improved, he may have not reached his potential but he grew in power still. He actually was going to beat Obi-Wan eventually in their duel anyway, but here i'll post some stuff.. http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/3142/blz11s.jpg http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/5615/blz12.jpg http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/3103/blz13.jpg http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/1527/blz14.jpg http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4632/blz15.jpg http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6526/blz16.jpg http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8049/blz17.jpg The rest of the scans just show 501st coming in and killing the others, but Vader kills 4 of the Jedi...and this was early Post-Mustafar. Xizor left his four bodyguards in the antechamber and went into Darth Vader's personal meeting room. The guards were trained in half a dozen forms of handto-hand combat, each armed with a blaster and each an expert shot; still, if Vader wanted to harm him, it wouldn't matter if he took four or forty men with him. The mysterious Force would let Vader block a fired blaster bolt with his lightsaber or his hands, and he could kill with a gesture, could freeze your lungs or stop your heart, just like that. -Shadows of the Empire. http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8653/starwarsadventureswillo.jpg http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/8653/starwarsadventureswillo.jpg http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8653/starwarsadventureswillo.jpg http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/8653/starwarsadventureswillo.jpg http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/8653/starwarsadventureswillo.jpg http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8653/starwarsadventureswillo.jpg http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8653/starwarsadventureswillo.jpg http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/8653/starwarsadventureswillo.jpg http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8653/starwarsadventureswillo.jpg http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8653/starwarsadventureswillo.jpg http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8653/starwarsadventureswillo.jpg http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/8653/starwarsadventureswillo.jpg Takes out an ENTIRE Rebel base, by himself. Vader half turned. "Do you think I do not recognize Roan Lands? Do you think I would be foolish enough to let you take him away?" "He is a former associate, yes, but —"It happened before he could get out another word. Faster than an eyeblink. Faster than he'd seen anyone move, anyone except Yoda.The lightsaber hadn't been there, and then it was, and the lightsaber was a blur. Vader moved without seeming to move, and the lightsaber sliced into Roan, straight into his chest. Straight into his heart Last of the Jedi: Secret Weapon But Vader merely stood like a statue, his blade angled toward the ground until the very instant the two Jedi unleashed their assault. Then, as the three blades joined in scatterings of dazzling light and grating static sounds, he moved.Forte and Kulka were skilled duelists, but Vader was not only faster than Starstone remembered him being on Murkhana against Master Chatak, but also more agile. He employed his awesome power to put a quick end to the fancy twirling of his opponents, who fell back against the hammering blows of Vader's bloodshine blade. Time and again the two Jedi Knights attempted to alter their style, but Vader had an answer for every lunge, parry, and riposte. His style borrowed elements from all techniques of combat, even from the highest, most dangerous levels, and his moves were crisp and unpredictable. In addition, his remarkable foresight allowed him to anticipate Forte's and Kulka's strategies and maneuvers, his blade always one step ahead of theirs, notwithstanding the two-handed grip he employed. Toying with the Jedi, he grazed Forte on the left shoulder, then on the right thigh; Kulka, he pierced lightly in the abdomen, then shaved away the flesh on the right side of the Ho'Din's face. -Rise of Darth Vader. Can post more if ya want.. Edited March 20, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpokeking Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) But he still got owned by the Maul clone and could not gain advantage against the old Obi Wan. Starkiller also owned him quite badly. Edited March 20, 2013 by Slowpokeking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) But he still got owned by the Maul clone and could not gain advantage against the old Obi Wan. Starkiller also owned him quite badly. The battle with Maul, it wasn't until Vader cut Maul's blade in two, that Maul gained the upperhand but still lost anyway. As for Obi-Wan again, he was going to lose eventually. Owned him badly? Galen won due to pretty much, throwing a generator at Vader which exploded on him. Honestly taking 3 things, 2 of which was the person was going to lose eventually while the other it wasn't until a certain point, and other it wasn't until a specific attack, to say Vader sucks is poor when you compare everything else he has done. Edited March 20, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpokeking Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) The battle with Maul, it wasn't until Vader cut Maul's blade in two, that Maul gained the upperhand but still lost anyway. As for Obi-Wan again, he was going to lose eventually. Owned him badly? Galen won due to pretty much, throwing a generator at Vader which exploded on him. Honestly taking 3 things, 2 of which was the person was going to lose eventually while the other it wasn't until a certain point, and other it wasn't until a specific attack, to say Vader sucks is poor when you compare everything else he has done. Maul had Vader down and had chance to kill him, only got killed because he stopped to talk and Vader caught him with surprise. EP III Anakin was able to take down Dooku, that's quite a difference. Obi Wan would lose only because he was old, even though Vader had no advantage before his death. if it was EP III Obi Wan he does not have such problem. I'm not saying he sucks, just his lightsaber skills doesn't seem to improve. Edited March 20, 2013 by Slowpokeking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ventessel Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Maul had Vader down and had chance to kill him, only got killed because he stopped to talk and Vader caught him with surprise. EP III Anakin was able to take down Dooku, that's quite a difference. Obi Wan would lose only because he was old, even though Vader had no advantage before his death. if it was EP III Obi Wan he does not have such problem. I'm not saying he sucks, just his lightsaber skills doesn't seem to improve. If you take Vader in Ep III, he's strong in the Force and extremely athletic. However, he is unable to overpower Obi-Wan. He becomes reckless and eventually makes a fatal miscalculation. After his injuries, his connection to the Force is damaged and he loses much of his agility. This forces him to compensate and adapt, as such he becomes not so much more powerful, but far more dangerous. He studies more intensely, and pays close attention to his bladework because he can no longer compensate for sloppiness with superior speed and agility. Vader makes good use of efficient, precise, powerful strokes. He augments his style with the strength of his cybernetics, and uses the Force more tactically to throw objects or his lightsaber, rather than leap around like the Jedi of the Prequels do. If you watch his duel with Luke on the Death Star, he's far more cautious while still being aggressive. All this discussion of "who's more powerful" can sometimes conceal the fact that Power, or strength in the Force, does not always translate into superior dueling capabilities. For example, a Jedi like Orgus Din was almost laughably weak in the Force, but became one of the deadliest duelists in his era. I've never liked the idea of making Palpatine such a strong duelist, because it detracts from his aura of power. In RotJ he doesn't even flinch when Luke comes within inches of cutting him in half with his lightsaber, and he completely disdains lightsaber combat. Presumably, this was because he was so powerful that he doesn't waste his time with lightsabers. That all went out the window in RotS, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) Maul had Vader down and had chance to kill him, only got killed because he stopped to talk and Vader caught him with surprise. EP III Anakin was able to take down Dooku, that's quite a difference. Obi Wan would lose only because he was old, even though Vader had no advantage before his death. if it was EP III Obi Wan he does not have such problem. I'm not saying he sucks, just his lightsaber skills doesn't seem to improve. ? His skills do improve he had to adapt to a new fighting style sure but that doesn't mean his skills were lacking. Here let me post more... http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8827/72338157p.jpg http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8200/59349372i.jpg http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/2037/55795374.jpg http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/405/57368295.jpg Defeating Celesta Morne...you know, the woman that fought Darth Krayt? Noting this still was Vader, before he reached his peak in dueling skills. Even Karness Murr(who was one of the Ancient Sith Lords), acknowledged that Vader was strong and Celesta had no chance of winning. Edited March 20, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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