Cowabung Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Listen my fellow hero's and heroine's!! The price of Molecular Stabilizers is falling too fast... Especially on my servor... The Red Eclipse... Right now on my servor they sell for 140,000 Credits each, when just a few weeks ago they were selling for 170-180k each... Since Credits are so easy to obtain, it should'nt matter if the price increases by a few thousand of credits... We Molecular Stabilizer sellers/farmers need to make a stand!! If we all increase our prices especially on the GTN we can make a difference and gain more profit!! Before long, Molecular Stabilizers will be worthless... We can't let the price fall below 100,000 credits or even 150,000 credits... You have no excuse not too, if we all try and put our prices up the price will go up too!! There's nothing to lose!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murshawursha Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Ever heard of supply and demand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBJammin Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 If credits are "so easy to obtain" why are you concerned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
translucentwolf Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Stabs are now cheap / easy to obtain. Elite War Hero armor now cost regular wz comms. You can farm enough comms in a few hours to buy a pair of gloves. Pull the mods, and a cybertech can get 2-4 stabs. Much, much faster than farming blackhole comms and then pulling those mods. As such... the cost has come down. It should fall below 100k by summer. Live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBBP Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Ever heard of supply and demand? Also free market. If I am happy with the price that I will get by undercutting higher prices and selling my wares faster, that is my business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlon_Nabarlly Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 If you want to set the price a certain way and credits are so easy, then buyout any on the GTN below your price and resell them higher #StockMarket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaing Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 1) There are actually a few very easy ways to get molecular stabilizers. Wouldn't be that hard to get 4 to 8 of them a day. 2) the more people that discover the easy method, the more stabilizers there will be, the lower people will list them on the GTN (so that they actually sell vs all the ones other people post). 3) if the price on your server is going down, that means people aren't buying up the cheaply listed ones as quickly as they used to. Supply vs Demand, seems like the supply on your server has gone up and demand may have gone down since the dedicated have started getting their own stabilizers instead of buying them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBBP Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 If you want to set the price a certain way and credits are so easy, then buyout any on the GTN below your price and resell them higher #StockMarket He can of course do that, but he also runs the risk of having a bunch of stabilizers that he cannot sell unless he lowers his prices when people keep coming to the market to undercut him. He can't really set the price until he controls how many hit the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelodicSixNine Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) More people found out about 'easy credits' = more sellers undercutting the competition. It's a normal thing in free market economy. What you try to do[setting the price] here just doesn't work, because there's no union between every seller and we're certainly not a hivemind(or a country which has tools to steer the economy in their direction). 'Go ahead and charge more. I will charge less and make profit.' Edited February 1, 2013 by MelodicSixNine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportiva Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Reading post such as the OP's makes me understand what happened November 6 and reinforces why I fear for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dainter Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Economics is for chumps. Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Forum Goers. Your sad devotion to that ancient Jedi religion of Economics has not helped you conjure up the Advanced Might Hilt 27 schematic, or given you enough clairvoyance to find the missing Cartel Coins... Everyone should raise the price like the OP said. It will totally work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Also free market. If I am happy with the price that I will get by undercutting higher prices and selling my wares faster, that is my business. There you go.Works like a charm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMB Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) While I don't deal in Molecular Stabilizers, personally, I have noticed that people have a nasty habit of undercutting with way too large margins. I know from experience that undercutting by a single credit tends to be enough to get your merchandise sold within minutes, but people will sometimes lower the price by over a thousand credits. Since I started crafting them, the price for an Augmentation Kit MK-6 has gone down from 50k to below 34k a piece. Edited February 1, 2013 by JediMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlon_Nabarlly Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 He can of course do that, but he also runs the risk of having a bunch of stabilizers that he cannot sell unless he lowers his prices when people keep coming to the market to undercut him. He can't really set the price until he controls how many hit the market. That was essentially my point. He's not going to get everyone agree to this scam with him. The only way to control the market would be for him to create a monopoly by buying out all the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
translucentwolf Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Since I started crafting them, the price for an Augmentation Kit MK-6 has gone down from 50k to below 34k a piece. Yep. They're 34k or so in bulk on my server. I have 2 characters that make 'em. I don't even bother selling. I just make enough to outfit my alts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNCommand Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Man, I love the free market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 While I don't deal in Molecular Stabilizers, personally, I have noticed that people have a nasty habit of undercutting with way too large margins. I know from experience that undercutting by a single credit tends to be enough to get your merchandise sold within minutes, but people will sometimes lower the price by over a thousand credits. Since I started crafting them, the price for an Augmentation Kit MK-6 has gone down from 50k to below 34k a piece. A lot of it as posted.Supply and demand.Remember when War Hero gear went to just regular War Zone comms.It spiked for awhile. Also what someone sells them for is their business.It is their product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malastare Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) Ever heard of supply and demand? He probably has. The question is, has he heard of cartels (the economic version) and did he actually know that he was asking to create one. Also free market. If I am happy with the price that I will get by undercutting higher prices and selling my wares faster, that is my business. ...and see this guy also seems to know about both supply and demand, and cartels. He also knows that he can make some bank by refusing to join the cartel. Of course, in the real world, defying a cartel can be bad for business (and sometimes your health). Since SWTOR doesn't have a way of strongly enforcing a cartel, people like this have a chance to profit in spite of cartels. Of course, since SWTOR is in a weird sort of equilibrium between soaring inflation (even wildlife carries free gold!) and free-fall deflation (money spent on education and repairs falls into the void, never to be seen again), the cartel can still make some profit off of him... ...then buyout any on the GTN below your price and resell them higher #StockMarket It works. Since the cartel is supposedly working to control the market, you'd naturally want to buy any resources selling for less than the cartel's price. Of course... there is just one problem with the cartel idea. You can't really enforce profit sharing, and you can't really enforce price setting. So, some individual in the cartel has to take on the risk of buying up the resources. Now, everyone else profits while one person takes on the risk. How long will it be before that person who took the risk will decide to sell them back at 1 credit less than the cartel? Edited February 1, 2013 by Malastare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
translucentwolf Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 How long will it be before that person who took the risk will decide to sell them back at 1 credit less than the cartel? Or till a competing cartel does so. A group of dedicated pvp players could easily undercut a cartel that was buying off the gtn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SentinelDranoel Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 so what are all the ways you can get Molecular Stablilizers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
translucentwolf Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 so what are all the ways you can get Molecular Stablilizers? Do Denova Do Asation Buy Cartel Packs ( slim chance ) Buy Fleet Commendation material boxes ( slim chance ) R/E Grade 26+ armorings / mods / enhancements ( blackhole / elite war hero or better ) R/E epic crafted droid parts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsmymillertime Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Do Denova Do Asation Buy Cartel Packs ( slim chance ) Buy Fleet Commendation material boxes ( slim chance ) R/E Grade 26+ armorings / mods / enhancements ( blackhole / elite war hero or better ) R/E epic crafted droid parts dont you mean war hero or better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 He probably has. The question is, has he heard of cartels (the economic version) and did he actually know that he was asking to create one. ...and see this guy also seems to know about both supply and demand, and cartels. He also knows that he can make some bank by refusing to join the cartel. Of course, in the real world, defying a cartel can be bad for business (and sometimes your health). Since SWTOR doesn't have a way of strongly enforcing a cartel, people like this have a chance to profit in spite of cartels. Of course, since SWTOR is in a weird sort of equilibrium between soaring inflation (even wildlife carries free gold!) and free-fall deflation (money spent on education and repairs falls into the void, never to be seen again), the cartel can still make some profit off of him... It works. Since the cartel is supposedly working to control the market, you'd naturally want to buy any resources selling for less than the cartel's price. Of course... there is just one problem with the cartel idea. You can't really enforce profit sharing, and you can't really enforce price setting. So, some individual in the cartel has to take on the risk of buying up the resources. Now, everyone else profits while one person takes on the risk. How long will it be before that person who took the risk will decide to sell them back at 1 credit less than the cartel? Instead of calling them credits they should rename them Lira.It would be more appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicosand Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 LOL, on TOFN, stabs already cost less then 100k, wich i think is more reasonable then 170k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyfy Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 That was essentially my point. He's not going to get everyone agree to this scam with him. The only way to control the market would be for him to create a monopoly by buying out all the competition. And seeing as resources are.infinite in game that would be impossible to do without somehow convincing everyone to do the same. Just so there's no confusion I am agreeing with you and just reinforcing your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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