stephenalandavie Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 You have killed us as tanks we cant get places as much anymore. Our sustained damage is laughable compared to other classes. And the infil on Burst is now laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrtwo Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 You have killed us as tanks we cant get places as much anymore. Our sustained damage is laughable compared to other classes. And the infil on Burst is now laughable. You just said that they killed tanks...and then you list two nerfs to damage...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xienive Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 You just said that they killed tanks...and then you list two nerfs to damage...? Relic and adrenal changes hurt the burst of Infiltration. Sustained DPS already was just bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenalandavie Posted July 6, 2012 Author Share Posted July 6, 2012 (edited) Hi, some thoughts. KC (In PvP) not sure how you PvE folks are holding up. At this point, a full-tank geared KC is a wasted slot over a VG/Guardian who can not only fulfill the role better but just simply last longer. Even in full WH tank gear, I drop unbelievably fast compared to the other tanks out there. There's just no reason to bring a Shadow on board to tank for rateds. Not when there's far superior options out there. Playing in DPS gear isn't even a redeeming option. You're not doing heavy pressure and you're certainly not tanking anything. I find the nerf to KC quite frankly overdone and poorly thought out. Even playing the disruptor role... 23/1/17 can do more damage and have more CC on targets. The standard 31/x/x KC builds have really lost it's flavour and now (as predicted)and are being replaced by real tanks. So this opens up the doorway for us to perform in our DPS specs, right? Uh... not really. Our DPS specs on a whole have been performing rather poorly. Infiltration (as expected) has hit another low point. It's unbearable to even test that spec now at this point but I still keep trying with some glimmer of hope. The "sustained" damage is really laughable compared to other ACs/Specs out there... even our own Balance just makes me facepalm at infil. I even swapped up my mods/enh to gain different stat outputs such as high crit 28%. Spec is just overall in a bad spot and (imo) needs to be reworked to support the shift where the game is headed: Sustained. Balance is better, but guys... have you seen what Balance Sage DPS/Sorc DPS can do in 1.3? They are very, very good. Their pressure upkeep is excellent, they can off-heal, they can pull, they can cast bubbles. They just completely outclass a Balance Shadow in every shape and form and I hate saying that. We're like a substitute version of a DPS Sage if a group doesn't have one. 23/1/17 Looks to be the real viable spec for us in rateds at this point. The utility of KC and Balance (Excluding Sever Force) along with solid sustained damage and respectable burst. On top of that, it's just as tanky as KC. Of course, I do not expect this to remain so forever. The meta-game constantly shifts and I would hope it doesn't stay the same. All in all, I'm not too happy with 1.3. I can understand gutting one part of KC, but not to the level it's at. It's... bad. I really, really, REALLY expected BW to do something with our DPS specs. The fact that silly hybrid specs are outperforming 31/x/x is a design flaw and should be immediately looked at. This class is WAYYY too geared toward solo play at this point thanks to 1.3. Yeah, KC can still beat any other class/spec 1v1, or infil will make short work of someone that's wandering off alone. But... we're in a rated age, and people simply do not play stupid or alone. Our damage on a whole is lackluster and we need something done to this class immediately. Especially our DPS trees. The whole "Jack of All Trades" is now looking at warming the bench. Rateds want Specialists, not Generalists. Guess what we are? PS: Insta-Project is cool for KC/Balance. Hate it for Infil. Also... has anyone else noticed FiB not healing for it's descriptive amount? Currently maining 7/31/3. Do i need to say more? The only Viable spec these days is the hybrid and they are getting rid of those soon too sooooo... Edited July 6, 2012 by stephenalandavie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktah Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Where did they say they are getting rid of hybrid specs? I must have missed that post. The only way I was able to play my shadow effectively was to have a hybrid spec because the class is crap. They are the red headed step children that can slapped in the face all the time. The devs probably dont even play this class so they have no idea what we are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenalandavie Posted July 6, 2012 Author Share Posted July 6, 2012 Where did they say they are getting rid of hybrid specs? I must have missed that post. The only way I was able to play my shadow effectively was to have a hybrid spec because the class is crap. They are the red headed step children that can slapped in the face all the time. The devs probably dont even play this class so they have no idea what we are talking about. It was one of the Q and A sessions they do on the website, someone asked about the hybrid specs and they said eventually they were trying to phase the benefits of it out. They have turned the class into someone who harasses and what good is that with moves like Taunt/mass mind control. I am sticking with the class i don't do the whole reroll paradigm. The only thing i ever did was change factions. I am using the hybrid spec i suspect you are using the same one? 23/1/17? or a similar variant?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelLBC Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 PVE wise shadow tanks at least are fine. We ran HM EC with one and there seemed to be no issue, though in the interest of full disclosure we still have Hm Denova on progression, and the first HM Denova after 1.3 we took our group farther than it had ever been which is to say we beat Vorgath. Didn't try Kephess because it was late though so if that's where Shadow tanks suddenly become non-viable then we don't know that yet. Can't speak to DPS shadows except to say that I know we've cleared Nightmare Mode EV and KP with one. Haven't brought one into HM Denova (our DPS Shadow also doubles as one of our tanks. He has gear for both so we just put him where needed). For PVP it's not my place to argue with Xinika, and all her points make sense theoretically, and knowing her they've been borne out in practice as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktah Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 It was one of the Q and A sessions they do on the website, someone asked about the hybrid specs and they said eventually they were trying to phase the benefits of it out. They have turned the class into someone who harasses and what good is that with moves like Taunt/mass mind control. I am sticking with the class i don't do the whole reroll paradigm. The only thing i ever did was change factions. I am using the hybrid spec i suspect you are using the same one? 23/1/17? or a similar variant?. I am using the 13/28 spec and if you re correct then devs need to be punched in the nuts. The community has proven time and time again that the class needs to be fixed/adjusted. What more do we need to do to show the devs that they are killing this class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShallowBay Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Where did they say they are getting rid of hybrid specs? I must have missed that post. The only way I was able to play my shadow effectively was to have a hybrid spec because the class is crap. They are the red headed step children that can slapped in the face all the time. The devs probably dont even play this class so they have no idea what we are talking about. As both a shadow and a redhead, that sentence was painful to read... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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