Sabarok Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 One thing I haven't found in SWTOR, (yet?) but feel is important for the Star Wars feel is the class stories intermingling with each other. So far from what I've seen, it's been like 8 stories that all happen to take place on the same planets but the class quests have nothing to do with each other (that I've found). It would be nice if some classes got quests that were based partly (and in a spoiler-free way) on the quests other classes are doing for their class quest, perhaps in a way that only makes sense when you replay the other class, but not so intrusive that the player feels a need to play the other classes to understand their own. I can give an example using some Empire quests on Hutta & Dromund Kaas In the Imperial Agent starter quest, you quickly meet a bounty hunter. Since there is a bounty hunter class quest already, that character would be a great source of involvement on both sides. The bounty hunter could have had an early "cameo" of that bounty hunter arriving on Hutta, and perhaps part of the quest of getting to see the Hutt. On Dromund Kaas, all 4 class quests end at the Temple. The two Sith classes are allowed to go there, but the other two aren't. They each have their own story on why, but that story could have been combined. The Agent could have been given a bonus mission with the cover story of "assisting another covert operation" with the task of disabling some security measures. The Bounty hunter's quest could have included "a contact in Imperial Intelligence is giving you an open window to get into the Temple". These are small touches and minor details, but that level of attention to detail would bring the story telling to a whole new level and give players a bonus when they reroll to new characters and continue following the story. They learn answers to questions they never knew they had. With the number of shared locations, there have been lots of missed possibilities for cross-class content. I only hope that, either it's already there and I haven't found it, or it becomes part of the newer content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bielduwyn Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Not a bad idea, but the problem is that any Bounty Hunter or whoever you mention will always be an off screen factor, so either it'll be a character you'll never see and whose mentions are only vague at best, or you risk spoiling the class story of another class long before you had planned to play that class. Or alternatively, if the Bounty Hunter is an on-screen presence he or she might differ from how the player envisioned them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabarok Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Not a bad idea, but the problem is that any Bounty Hunter or whoever you mention will always be an off screen factor, so either it'll be a character you'll never see and whose mentions are only vague at best, or you risk spoiling the class story of another class long before you had planned to play that class. Or alternatively, if the Bounty Hunter is an on-screen presence he or she might differ from how the player envisioned them. No on screen presence or involvement of an actual 2nd player or NPC equivalent. what combines the two classes together are the events. It does require a subtle touch to avoid spoilers, but that's not the hard part. The "vague at best" is pretty much what I'm talking about. Something that ties the classes together. If you play only 1 class, you only get the vaguest hints at something. Play all 4 and you have insight into the greater picture and how everything ties together. Let's break down parts of Episode IV into its "class quest" components. R2D2/C3P0: Travelling aboard a starship Meet with Princess Leia and given a mission Escape from the ship, captured by Jawas Purchased by Luke Skywalker Locate Ben Kenobi Travel with Luke to Kenobi's house, then to Mos Eisley Be allowed through customs Be kicked out of a bar Hide from troopers Travel on Millenium Falcon to Death Star Locate Leia and give out quest to rescue Wait in control room Sneak out past troopers Receive comm from Luke Skywalker and disable trash compactor Meet up with rest of group at Millenium Falcon Be Luke Skywalker's Companion for Death Star attack. Destroyed and gets revived after the fight Ben Kenobi: Rescue Luke Skywalker and droids from sand people Visit Home with Luke Skywalker and droids Discover Sandcrawler Wait for Luke Skywalker to return from Go Home quest Travel to Mos eisley Mind trick on troopers Enter a bar Talk to Chewbacca Save Luke Skywalker from dunk patron Offer quest to Han Solo to travel to Alderaan. Travel on Millenium Falcon to Death Star Accept solo quest to disable the tractor beams Succeed mission objective, but dies to the Elite Boss. All teammates are out of range for in-combat revive. Kicked from the team, but continues to help with /whisper to Luke Skywalker Princess Leia: Gives quest to R2D2 Captured by Darth Vader Interrogated by Darth Vader Sees cutscene for Alderaan blown up Rescued by Luke Skywalker & Han Solo Escapes aboard Millenium Falcon Goes AFK at command center while Luke Skywalker leads 16-man Operation Han Solo: Meets Ben Kenobi at Mos Eisley and accepts quest to go to Alderaan Sneak attack critical hit 1-shot on Greedo Travels on Millenium Falcon to Death Star Waits in control room while Ben Kenobi starts his quest Accepts quest to rescue princess Gets into fight with troopers at the prison level. Troopers are in infinite respawn. Flees combat through a hatch Almost killed in trash compactor Does AoE fear on troopers and gives chase Fear expires and flees from combat Meets up with group at Millenium Falcon Space combat mini-game. Destroys 2 TIE fighters Flies to Rebel base Gets reward for Rescue Princess quest Leaves the team Rejoins the team in the middle of Death Star operation to help with the final encounter Luke Skywalker: Boring intro quests Buys 2 droids Chases after droids and gets ambushed & incapacitated by Sandpeople Revived by Ben Kenobi Travels to Ben Kenobi's house for dialog Finds Sandcrawler. Accepts timed quest Return Home Mission timer expires before getting to quest location. Quest failed. Returns to Kenobi Travels to Mos Eisley Sells speeder to NPC for fraction of the purchase price Travels on Millenium Falcon to Death Star Waits in control room with rest of the team. Kenobi wanders off to do his own thing Talks Han Solo & Chewbacca into 3-manning Heroic 4 "Rescue Princess" Rescues princess, jumps into the garbage Uses comm to give C3P0/R2D2 quest to shut down the trash compactors Meets up with group at Millenium Falcon Sees Ben Kenobi trying to solo boss. Ben Kenobi dies. Too many mobs in the way. Damn noob. Shoots down 2 TIE-Fighters Goes to Rebel Base Accepts Space Operation to Destroy Death Star. Most other players in the operation died and logged off. Han Solo invited late in the raid to help finish it off. Each of these characters has a unique story and unique view, and when combined correctly creates a cohesive story. The exact same thing can't be done in SWTOR because of spoiler issues, but a smaller scale can be done with small touches. Edited January 21, 2012 by Sabarok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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