JarenVestrit Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) While I am almost completely against this idea, maybe they should add a 1-level grace period. That way the people who immediately regret their actions can change their minds. However, if they do this, there needs to be some kind of penalty. How about this: since it's a 1-level grace period, if the PC opts to do this, they lose that level...they go back to the level that they first chose their AC. Whether that was 10, 11, 12, etc. They would also lose all the credits they invested in training the AC-skills. Oh, and this can be only be done ONE TIME. Edited January 13, 2012 by JarenVestrit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkeBohm Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Which you can do here too! Scoundrel can be DPS or Heals! Commando can too! Juggernaught can be tank or dps! All I hear is "Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I have to roll an alt." Its not an alt. It's the same exact class with just a different advanced class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanorDM Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 No, an AC is a specialization. The Advanced class isn't really a class? Is that honestly what you're trying to base your argument on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TItanten Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 My thought about the people who are up in arms is, they want this game to be so completely different than other MMOs they don't want common switching like this to happen. I think most of us emphatically do not want AC switching to be common, easy, or even viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkelord Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 My thought about the people who are up in arms is, they want this game to be so completely different than other MMOs they don't want common switching like this to happen. Maybe you should petition the devs to allow you to switch from assassin to juggernaut, because you're basically asking them to allow you to change your class whenever you think it's most convenient for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TItanten Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Its not an alt. It's the same exact class with just a different advanced class. Ahh, so it's a different damn class. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkeBohm Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I think most of us emphatically do not want AC switching to be common, easy, or even viable. Freyar and I came up with a solution to make it not common or easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkeBohm Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Ahh, so it's a different damn class. Got it. A BH is still a BH same voice same guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunzo Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 Hundreds of airplanes fly everyday without crashes, so why should we impose restrictive "safety requirements" on them? Same logic. No, absolutely not even close. Same logic would be like saying, your clothes are all dirty, ratty and torn but you polish your shoes every day. That's the same logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanorDM Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Freyar and I came up with a solution to make it not common or easy. I would actually support something like that. That or a one time respec that expires somewhere between lvl 15 and 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thourton Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 No, it's like changing your druid cat dps to a druid tree heals. Oh wait, you can do that? Hmm.. No, it's like switching your druid to a warrior. What you've described is like switching my Commando from Combat Medic to Gunnery. The AC's are distinctly separate from each other. A Commando plays as a completely different class as the Vanguard, and I don't know of any MMO that let's you change your class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TItanten Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Freyar and I came up with a solution to make it not common or easy. Nah, slippery slope. They should just come out and say "We are never going to allow you to switch classes." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadiva Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) My thought about the people who are up in arms is, they want this game to be so completely different than other MMOs they don't want common switching like this to happen. No it isn't it's because you (generic you) are changing between two fundamentally different classes. People are asking to be able to be a jack of all trades on ONE single character. If you want that, play Rift as that' the exact raison d'etre behind their game. Stop (in general not you specifically) trying to change other games which do things differently into another homogenous blob of mediocrity. At the moment choosing an Advance Class has consequences and the game makes them very clear. Other games exist with this mechanic in place, go play them, don't try and force those that don't to be the bl**dy same. Edited January 13, 2012 by Cadiva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtmach Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 The advanced class is a commitment. BW was generous with it because they made it available at level 10. They figured that it does not take much to level 10 levels to re-choose. But even then, this is why they really stressed that you could not choose again after you made your choice. It's nice to have a major decision be made in this game rather than every choice being superfluous. Next thing people will want is the ability to "respec" your dark/light side choices, therefore nullifying the gravity of the choice completely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunzo Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 The Advanced class isn't really a class? Is that honestly what you're trying to base your argument on? Correct, the class part of "advanced class" is the inherent class you made. The "advanced" part is the Sentinel/Guardian, Assassin/Sage specialization. Think of it in this sense. You become a Jedi Knight Sentinel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyFreedom Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO THIS. I picked Marauder. They are TERRIBLE! Let me go Juggs please. Releveling a Sith Warrior to 50 to play a Jugg isn't gonna happen. It is enough that I quit that account and honestly thinking about getting rid of the account entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TItanten Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Correct, the class part of "advanced class" is the inherent class you made. The "advanced" part is the Sentinel/Guardian, Assassin/Sage specialization. Think of it in this sense. You become a Jedi Knight Sentinel. And it should be irreversable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanorDM Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 A BH is still a BH same voice same guns. No, a Merc uses two pistols, a PT uses one. But even then lets look. Sniper uses Sniper rilfe, Op uses Blaster rifle. Commando uses Assault Cannon, Vanguard uses Blaster rifle. Seer/Sorcerer uses a single light saber, Shadow/Assassin uses a double bladed light saber. So based on your logic, I should be able to swap my Operative for a Vanguard since they use the same weapon, or a Seer for a Guardian or Sentinel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkeBohm Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I would actually support something like that. That or a one time respec that expires somewhere between lvl 15 and 20. The problem I have with switching that low, is that you really don't know your advanced class yet. I got to fully experience my advanced class with 50. With Warzones and Flashpoints. I have said this before. I don't hate my advanced class. I just want to be able to switch my class to try out the other one. I actually like Mercenary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunzo Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 The advanced class is a commitment. BW was generous with it because they made it available at level 10. They figured that it does not take much to level 10 levels to re-choose. But even then, this is why they really stressed that you could not choose again after you made your choice. It's nice to have a major decision be made in this game rather than every choice being superfluous. Next thing people will want is the ability to "respec" your dark/light side choices, therefore nullifying the gravity of the choice completely... What purpose would there be to pick it at a level beyond 10? You require specialization to do flashpoints so groups can be actually balanced with tank, dps and healer. It's not a "generous" thing, it's called being sensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpholinium Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I'm amused that so many on this forum will simultaneously complain about how fast and easy it is to hit the level cap, yet balk at the less than one hour investment it takes to get a reroll back to level ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunzo Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 And it should be irreversable. And your justification is? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunryu Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 The Advanced class isn't really a class? Is that honestly what you're trying to base your argument on? Pretty much, seeing as Bioware stated it is your class SPECIALIZATION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanorDM Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 You become a Jedi Knight Sentinel. No you don't, you're a Sentinel. Do a who sometime and you will see Gunslinger, Scoundrel, Commando, Jedi Knight, ect... You will never see a Jedi Knight Sentinel because your class is Sentinel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkelord Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Correct, the class part of "advanced class" is the inherent class you made. The "advanced" part is the Sentinel/Guardian, Assassin/Sage specialization. Think of it in this sense. You become a Jedi Knight Sentinel. Just like you become a Sith Warrior Marauder and not just a Marauder. It's not a class within a class, it's a class. Period. That's it. The advanced class can perform different roles. Bioware made it so that each class appealed to each spec, and no one was forced to bottleneck themselves to a class they didn't like (such as being an operative because they're DPS only). It's not a hard concept to grasp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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