BlutigKoch Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Roughly halfway through their operational time period, EVE released a patch which wiped out users' boot.ini. They literally nuked people's computers & rendered them unbootable. The idea that somehow post-beta no critical bugs should ever turn up, or indeed just not yet be fixed, is up there with the Cluster spacecraft achieving orbit. Should we also mention Vanguard or was it EQ2 frying video cards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Roughly halfway through their operational time period, EVE released a patch which wiped out users' boot.ini. They literally nuked people's computers & rendered them unbootable. The idea that somehow post-beta no critical bugs should ever turn up, or indeed just not yet be fixed, is up there with the Cluster spacecraft achieving orbit. CCP did it, therefore Bioware can do it, AM I RIGHT GUYS?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraeththu Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Been programming professionally for 20+ years. Yes, any software has defects in it. That said, I've spent most of my career programming medical software, primarily in diagnosis and radiology. If my code has obvious bugs, people can potentially die. As a result, my defect list on released software is EXTREMELY small. The defects we do find are generally in areas that aren't used, or through configuration options that are unlikely to be used together. I get maybe 2-3 a year on code that went live. Game companies have gotten sloppy. It used to be when a game went gold, you were done. It wasn't getting fixed ever, because it was burnt to ROM or the disks were shipped and consumers didn't really have a network to download patches from. Yes, games have become more complex, but they also have a lot more people working on them (for the good and bad of that). What they're not given is the time it takes to produce a quality product. Blizzard at least understands this somewhat and as a result has a pretty decent reputation. Bioware is the opposite and has always released buggy code (Bethesda is another with the same rep). I don't see their corporate culture changing, especially not with EA behind them egging them on to release crappy code. If you expected SWTOR to be something other than extremely buggy, given it comes from Bioware and on top of that was pushed out months (or even a year) earlier than they wanted too; you need to reevaluate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syas Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 CCP did it, therefore Bioware can do it, AM I RIGHT GUYS?!?!? More like "Bioware is already an improvement over other MMO Devs", but keep hatin' bro. http://7tattoo.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/25200_1214567684329_1232910695_30982333_6281898_n.jpg?w=349&h=400 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxidda Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 "Any game as big and as complex as The Old Republic will have bugs." "Any gaming company as big and as complex as Bioware/EA that can throw $150million in to an MMO should have fixed many of the bugs during Beta" Typical EA, I guess. It is apparent you've never made a big Enterprise Application, or a huge computer game. Just throwing money at software, won't fix any bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 More like "Bioware is already an improvement over other MMO Devs", but keep hatin' bro. http://7tattoo.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/25200_1214567684329_1232910695_30982333_6281898_n.jpg?w=349&h=400 If by "improve" you mean "stripe all the features from MMOs that have been evolved from the past decade" sure. Please, Bioware can't even make a functioning PvP world. Right now Bioware is looking like a mom and pop corner store trying to take out wal-mart. The only reason people gave this game a glace is because it has "Star Wars" written on it. Without the Star Wars IP this game would have flown WELL under the radar and you know it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakadisaprin Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Yes. I was there at launch. You could get to level 60 and not encounter any real bugs or broken quests. This is the second time I have to call you out. Maybe you got lucky when WoW launched but considering the nature of the bugs I seriously doubt it. I was there and WoW was riddled with bugs at release. The same bugs I reported during beta testing ...and they were still there. TL;DR - Stop lying. Anyone who played WoW at release knows damn well that the game was riddled with bugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quip Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 then dont release it until its polished, like WOW You got a brass pair on you, my friend. Reading the posts after yours just about knocked me out of my chair. It's was an easy target but holy crap son you hit it with a nuke! Well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabouma Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Ehm.... how about we put a lock on this topic guys? It's all naming and shaming now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedstery Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 then dont release it until its polished, like WOW Funny thing is, WoW launched with lots more bugs than SWTOR and even Game breaking ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lividcalm Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 then dont release it until its polished, like WOW Nice trolling attempt young one, better luck next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lormif Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 More like "Bioware is already an improvement over other MMO Devs", but keep hatin' bro. http://7tattoo.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/25200_1214567684329_1232910695_30982333_6281898_n.jpg?w=349&h=400 Sorry but no. Did wow have bugs at release, sure, however wow worked round the clock to fix them, BW went on vacation. On their first week back they have still released mostly fluff for their fixes. In addition the ratio of avoidable bugs to mission critical on release is still way in WOWs favor. As a software developer I know software will ALWAYS have bugs, however BWs approach so far to fixing them is the thing I am most concerned with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedstery Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Sorry but no. Did wow have bugs at release, sure, however wow worked round the clock to fix them, BW went on vacation. On their first week back they have still released mostly fluff for their fixes. In addition the ratio of avoidable bugs to mission critical on release is still way in WOWs favor. As a software developer I know software will ALWAYS have bugs, however BWs approach so far to fixing them is the thing I am most concerned with. Bioware deserve to have a break at Christmas and spend it with family. Sheesh, get a heart man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxidda Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Bioware deserve to have a break at Christmas and spend it with family. Sheesh, get a heart man. Signed, people who are demanding fixes right away are just spoiled! Then again, BW doesn't need to work around the clock to fix massive bugs, since the bugs WoW had where on a whole different scale. A scale of making the game very unplayable, in SWTOR that is far from the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lormif Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Bioware deserve to have a break at Christmas and spend it with family. Sheesh, get a heart man. Sure they do, but I also deserve good CS. They cant hold me accountable for their crappy release date, that is their problem. If I pay for a game, I expect it to work, or the company to work to make it right, right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxidda Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Sure they do, but I also deserve good CS. They cant hold me accountable for their crappy release date, that is their problem. If I pay for a game, I expect it to work, or the company to work to make it right, right away. Giving your above "requirement", it does work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lormif Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Signed, people who are demanding fixes right away are just spoiled! Then again, BW doesn't need to work around the clock to fix massive bugs, since the bugs WoW had where on a whole different scale. A scale of making the game very unplayable, in SWTOR that is far from the case. Sure, we are spoiled by good customer service. Wow was very playable at release.. First day I was down for a few hours, then off tot he races. I never had the issues most of the people here seem to be complaining about. Here however I have seen all sorts of bugs that make the game very unplayable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidpop Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 then dont release it until its polished, like WOW I can load up wow right now, and find a 100 bugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lormif Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Giving your above "requirement", it does work. You are going to have to be a little more detailed in what you mean by requirements... They could have released the game in Nov, still in time for xmas, but able to fix bugs, as blizzard did. Again, if I am paying you, dont hold me accountable for your mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxidda Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Sure, we are spoiled by good customer service. Wow was very playable at release.. First day I was down for a few hours, then off tot he races. I never had the issues most of the people here seem to be complaining about. Here however I have seen all sorts of bugs that make the game very unplayable. I think we've been playing two very different games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lormif Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I can load up wow right now, and find a 100 bugs. But are they critcal bugs, such as being locked in a ship, not being able to talk to anyone in a part/guild or any of the others that make this game fairly unplayable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxidda Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) You are going to have to be a little more detailed in what you mean by requirements... They could have released the game in Nov, still in time for xmas, but able to fix bugs, as blizzard did. Again, if I am paying you, dont hold me accountable for your mistakes. You just explained the point I was trying to make, congratulations. Also the software business model works like this: You buy software, you pay for a maintancen contract to fix problems in the software that you accepted buying. Its how the industry works. Edited January 6, 2012 by Oxidda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oflow Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 What people dont understand is how the same bugs that were reported and complained about the same way months ago in beta made it into launch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lormif Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I think we've been playing two very different games. Doubt that.. More then likly you just dont want to admit the bugs.. I mean have you never tried to go into a ship for the first 2 weeks atleat, in a group? never had issues talking in group/party/ops, never heard of quest lines sticking, some forcing people to be stuck in instances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartanik Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Bioware has a long list of incredible buggy games. I don't see why anyone would expect anything less from them, especially on an MMO, which is going to have more problems than a single player game. Oh i realy think the list isnt so long as other single players games.. Bioware games overall are quite ok when it comes to that departament. I remmeber that KOTOR 2 isnt from Bioware btw. just saying. Mass effect 2 buggy? coulndt find any probably the most stable bioware game i ever seen. DA2 ( crappy game sure but not due to bugs. MAss effect great game without serious bugs, allthough the gameplay was a lot cluncky and not easy to work arround. KOTOR, if have bugs i didnt find any. DAorigins, bugs only in the expantion. The game in itself was pretty stable... compared that to any oblivion or skyrim etc... Look im not of bootlicking some company i like, but in this i give credit to BIoware overall they put on the market the games with less bugs in comparisson wih other games. IMO SWTOR is no diferent, but due to its size and being an MMO yeah it has bugs. BUt more importantly ther are not a game breaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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