I am serious he is in mostly blues with like 2 purples i think my BH is in all blues at 18... BTW maybe I have taunt on my BH but I dont think so yet mostly I dont need do to solid agro up front with death from above. I know at 22 they get the cable pull deal and that gives big threat not sure what else they get for snap agro.

I have a powertech lvl 18 and jugg lvl 15 atm and gotta say my Jugg feels way tankier.... My powertech is shield spec and my tanking isnt anywere good as Juggs... on the other hand I can aoe agro pretty well. Biggest issues with BH tank is lack of snap agro if a dps manages to pull it off me I dont have any tools to get it back atm... That and my mitigation is much lower than my juggs... my jug is sitting on 45% damage reduction at lvl 15. My BH at 18 only has 32% and it makes a difference....

My guess is the armor reduction comes first than the sunders... also flat 20% reduction is huge no matter the case...

??? ok.... not sure were the carebear thing is coming in but the point is to have fun with your spec play style. Make it the best you can be in pve or pvp learn the ins and outs try all the trees out and dont forget maybe hybrid specs too...

Any spec will work but you have to be willing to play with it and fine tune it some might have a better dps output than others but I try to avoid cookie cutter builds and build my own. I still referance them and might follow them to some extent... The cookie cutter build mentallity is a bad way of thinking build the best spec for your play style and make it work. Not only are you going to have more fun finding out how to fine tune your build you will have more fun in game. Who cares if you 10% less dps than fill in the blank build. I almost guarentee if you play a spec you have fun with you will out dps the cookie cutter build you hate to play. Even If you dont the point of the game is to have fun not min-max crap to death.

Ok this is just from my experience.... most people grew up in the Age of playing WoW and are use to having every thing handed to them on a silver platter. (I played EQ when it first came out and other harder MMO's as well as WoW) Now instead of tring different strategies or specs ect.. they QQ about it on the forums... to them I say play something else if the grass is so much greener. Now granted the warrior class both jug and marauder class could use some small tweaking. Instead of sitting on your thumb and whining about being underpowered try some stuff think out of the box use crap you never thought to... if it doesnt work than you are still learning the finer points of your class and its mechanics. While SWTOR isnt hard by any stretch they do make it more challenging than WoW and most people arnt use to that... all I gotta say is tuffen up and suck it up or reroll to a different class because the warrior class is more challenging than most out there to prefect.

I think those are base dmg w/o adding in your stats....

Why do I have a sneaking feeling that jug spec zander linked will be better in the en than the marader spec.. my guess is both will be pretty close to on par with Jug winning out due to better survival skills in pve?

so i guess I will program my keyboard to hit spacebar in a loop so I never log off tire of 30min + ques.