He never called you a liar. You may be good at raiding but your reading comp and people skills seem to be lacking as evident by some of your post in this thread. I think it is you who should apologize to him at this point. (EDIT: you did apologize for the record) Its stuff like this that has derailed what would have otherwise been a decent thread. Your attitude overshadows any valid points you made and makes people not want to care about what you have to say. In this case the guy was even praising your accomplishments and you still talked down to him. You nee to mellow out a bit there.

The difference is that people have more options than they did back in 2004 and the MMO player was a different breed then. People put up with the intial bugs in wow because many of the other games at the time also had bugs(SWG had bugs that lasted for months and in some cases years). Not to mention there was not as many casual friendly MMOs on the market at the time. The competition facing swtor is alot tougher now than what wow went up against in 2004 and the needs and expectations of the MMO gamer are much higher. Like you said things have changed and any comparison between wows launch is irrelevant to swtor. I have no fears that this game will "die" because there is enough here to keep fans of the kotor franchise and BW appeased, but at the same time there is a danger of this game becoming another rift. It will survive but it wont be considered to be any real force in the MMO genre. For some people that is enough but I would like to see the game succeed and not be held back because BW couldn't debug the game in a timely fashion.

I may only speak for myself but I don't think operations bugging out to the point of being unplayable at times or broken class quests(which are the backbone of your questing experience and story) as "small things". I mean there are only two ops at the moment and both are pretty badly bugged. That is not counting the plethora of other minor bugs such as certain preference settings and companion abilities not saving when you zone. As you get higher in levels the bugs start to add up. Its pretty obvious that the higher level content is not as stable or refined as the lower level stuff and with the population leveling up they are going to be hitting these bugs. They need to be fixed or it WILL discourage players. BW needs to resolve or at least make progress on these things by the end of the free month or people will start to leave. Nobody is gonna pay a fee for a product that does not work right half the time, especially when there are competitors who offer a similar more stable product. Why should I raid EV and watch my group die to the "ghost" when I could raid DS in wow which is known to run smooth? I am just saying these are the kinds of questions player will be asking themselves. I have no desire at all to see this game lose subs I am just pointing out flaws that need to be fixed or you will see subs begin to fall.

While its true the launch has been pretty good keep in mind other games have had good launches and then died out very quickly. Only time will tell is swtor follows that pattern or not. As far as bug goes yes there are quite a few game breaking bugs at the higher levels. In the eternity vault operation alone I have seen the following bugs: Loot not drop from bosses or numerous other loot based glitches such as being able to see gear but not collect it. When riding the speederbike transport sometimes characters will just randomly die. The escape pods you ride down to the planet sometimes randomly kills players. The bosses often bug out and have to be reset, sometimes multiple times, in order to get them to work right. My personal favorite is the "ghost" bug where your raid will be standing there not even in combat and then suddenly your group members will suddenly start dropping dead one by one for no reason at all. While hilarious the first time it gets old really quick. The debuffs on the 4th boss not clearing correctly and forcing members to relog to clear it. Graphical bugs with some of the bosses such as invisible lighting balls on the last boss that easily cause wipes. The turrets on the first boss sometimes bug out if you use CC on them. That is all from ONE instance. There are several bugs with the other operation such as if you wipe and zone in again you spawn right in front of the boss and he proceeds to kill the group as you zone in. The BH class quest to go to illum is bugged for darkside players. ETC ETC. I myself consider many of these to be gamebreaking or at the very least highly annoying. I am not hating on the game(in fact I like it a lot) and its natural that a new game will have bugs. However don't sit there and pretend that this game is perfect or that it has "only minor flaws". When you hit the higher levels and end game you encounter a lot of broken stuff that needs to be fixed. Right now its not a major issue because most of the players are not 50 yet but give it a couple more weeks and you all will see just how bad things can get. Its not fun when you have to cancel a raid simply because of bugs. I personally have faith that BW will resolve most of these issues in the coming weeks. But it just annoys me when fanboys attack people who raise valid concerns about the game. This game is good but there is CONSIDERABLE work and debugging that must be done for the game to maintain its subs for the long term. As it stands now in its current form I feel many people will cancel after they hit 50 and the free month is over. Not because there is a lack of content but because the content does not work half the time. Tho I must say when the stuff does work it is very enjoyable. EV puts DS from wow to shame in my opinion.