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Get the idea of new classes out of your head, you are asking about work that involves changing nearly every world to add instances for a new class, the story needs to be written, and so much more.
Also most of the writers that worked on the class stories are long gone as well.
Look at the content we have gotten so far, and you think they will add a new class? HA!
At best we will probably get is more advance classes.
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Videos are not the same as actually playing the game. Until you actually play the game, you have no say in whether wow is bad or good.
LOL, what a pathetic argument.
So I would have to play the game to know you can hit one or two buttons over and over again during a raid and still be effective?
This argument can be used for anything that is bad, drink bleach! You won't know it is bad unless you drink it yourself! That info you read online could be wrong!
Or I can watch WoW videos and streams and have some of them show their parse after hitting just one or two buttons over and over again, and yet still be near the top if not top of it. Just like you can read online about how bad bleach is if it is ingested. I don't need to actually drink bleach to know it's bad, I just have to go to the right places to find out how and why.
You know what a parse is right?
Though I'm sure you guys will QQ about being using that comparison. However if you QQ about it, then you, once again, destroy your own argument.
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No it just proves your blowing smoke now. You mean to tell me you spend hours of your life watching videos and twitch streams of random people you don't know, playing a game that you don't play and don't like?
Hours of my life? You act as if people don't label their streams when they do raiding on Twitch, or youtube videos. Oh I spent a few hours over a year plus period looking at WoW videos. Oh noes, such a waste!
It's pathetic the lengths your ad hominems will reach just because you can't handle the fact that I'm right about WoW being dumbed down as it can almost be, especially now.
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No I saw that part, it just reaffirms more that your opinion is completely based off of someone else's experience. You watched videos made by other people showing you what they wanted to show you and possible added comments stating their opinions. That is what your basing your opinion on.
So some random person raiding on Youtube or Twitch shows me what I'm looking for?
You do realize that just proves what I'm saying if I see someone spamming one or two abilities and the raid boss still dies. And I see it in multiple occasions. I guess all the random people I've watched on twitch were actually doing it on purpose as they somehow knew I was watching them!
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Swg was a flop, it flopped out of the gate and never came back, I know I was there too and I even came back for jtl and end up only ever playing jtl when ever I went back from then on.
So a game that had 100,000s of subs was a flop? LOL.
No, you clearly have never played SWG pre-CU.
If you ever played "SWG" it was actually NGE. Which is so different to SWG it's a different game for the most part.
So you will deny that Coronet was filled with people before the CU hit, and went to a ghost city when the NGE hit? Yea, you never actually played SWG.
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The end attempt number 2.
EDIT: you clearly edited that part out cause i read it just before uploading my reply
LOL, I love it. You make an false accusation, then when you can't find the post, that only existed in your head, you say I edited it out. Which is odd because I have already said what you claimed I said the opposite of. This can be found in other posts.
That is why you can't find it, because I have been saying the opposite instead.
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Ok this just proved my other point. Your entire opinion is based on things others TOLD you.
Funny how you ignore my other comment. Or Youtube doesn't exist to you people. Or Twitch.
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Im curious what is is your mmo experience? being one of the 15 people who left swg when the nge "ruined" a dead game?
One of the 15 people that left SWG when the NGE hit? LOL.
There were quite a lot of people in fact playing it, admitting less then there was pre-CU.
But that just proves my point.
SWG was not dead at that point, however, it was dead after the NGE hit in just a few months. Funny how when it went full WoW it died...
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If companies are still making money off those games, then it is a win for all involved.
So you are going to ignore that fact that WoW is making 50% less then it did before? LOL. You honestly think losing over a billion dollars in profit is no big deal? Just amazing....
The smoking argument doesn't work because there is data suggesting that smoking is harmful, hence why it isn't good. Present data suggests that WoW is still doing well financially, critically, and with the player base.So again, you will ignore the fact that it has lost a billion dollars in profit... Again, just amazing.... And there is objective evidence that WoW is bad because it was dumbed down. All I have to do is compared the gameplay to other MMOs, namely older ones.
As for Farmville and Angry Birds; if the player base is happy and the developer is happy making money, then as far as the players are concerned the games are good. You keep throwing in strawmans centering around "most popular game ever." No one has said WoW is the best game ever, only that your opinion isn't fact and that the numbers agree with that sentiment.It's funny how you have no concept of a strawman and yet use it. It helps if you knew what that meant before you used it.
It's not a strawman, it's just a continuation of your guys' logic. WoW is good because 7 million people still play it. Well 100+ million people play Angry Birds, therefore Angry Birds must be one of the best games ever. This is YOUR logic being used against you. You can't handle it because it's poor logic. Unlike you however, I realize both are poor logic. And again you mention the numbers. AKA WoW is good because 7 million play it.
No, all you have said is that "WoW is bad because I said so and my opinion is fact. You have not posted sources with comparisons, nor have posted reviews that compare WoW with other games. We have to take your word at it. Heck, you can't even be bothered to post those now famous pics that compare the Sith Juggernaut and Jedi Sage to their WoW counterparts and how blatant the copy and paste was. You have given nothing to your argument.Post sources with comparisons? You guys will just deny it if it was thrown at you and crushed your nose. And why would I post those images showing SW:TOR copied WoW when I already said SW:TOR copied WoW way too much.... Do you have actual brain damage? If so I will feel bad crushing you in this conversation.
The other parts I will ignore. When you start to claim I say SW:TOR didn't copy WoW when multiple messages I have made on this exact thread are me saying the opposite. It's pointless to continue this crushing of you. Goodbye.
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You just lost all credibility. You can't speak ill about a game without having ever played it.
Good day.
Yes I can, there is a thing called videos. It's especially popular on many websites, quite a few are even dedicated to such things!
There is also a concept called watching others play. You know, friends, I mean more then just people on a friends list in WoW/SW:TOR.
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The end.
Of course, why bother posting where I originally said SW:TOR won't fail. Just put words in my mouth and then leave.
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Funny how i don't see that post anymore where you said SW:TOR is diffrent to WoW and that it won't fail.I wonder why...
I'm not gonna go to that game part, gonna listen to the other folks
take care! keep your bridge clean.You might find I don't say SW:TOR won't fail and it's different from WoW, because I never have said that. Because in fact I have said SW:TOR did fail at launch.
So your only argument is to put words into other people's mouths, so to speak.
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So you just confirmed what I said. That you are too scared to give an opinion because it will be criticized.
There's nothing worse than someone who criticizes others opinions and in fact holds no real opinions of their own. Stop repeating what you read/hear others say and get an opinion of your own. Then take a stand on it for crying out loud.
No, because I know what your argument will be. You will go just because it wasn't as popular as WoW it's bad.
SWG was still a far better game then WoW, proven by the fact that the more then tried to make into WoW, the more it died.
The major reason why people were leaving was the bugs that were ignored, some of them major, that were around since beta. And the only content being added it were all tied in to the movies. I know this because I spoke to the people who were leaving. Despite the people leaving the player cities, but especially the world cities like Coronet, would be filled with people.
That changed with the CU, and with the NGE that completely WoWified the game, all cities became ghost cities. Player city or not.
But go ahead and try to use an argument beyond "it wasn't as popular as WoW therefore it's horrible." Any others you could use I already crushed. It's funny because at SWG's peak, it had nearly the same amount of subs as SW:TOR did when it went F2P.
Now who is scared?
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Was wow your first mmo ? because while wow did get dumber it was always a lot dumber than the mmos that came before it.
WoW my first MMO? well that would be an impossible thing as I've never played WoW. One just has to read from people who had played it from launch to know it wasn't always so dumbed down.
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Ah so i just got my food ready and then i see you again. It may be a shock for you but we moved onto the next generation where RPG's aren't text-based and developers focus out on new stuff that is hot on the market.
Obviously business is business.
So you are calling Balder's Gate 2 a text based game? Or Diablo 2?
I knew you were detached from reality, but you are apparently attached to something that would be perfect for an episode, hell a whole season, of the Twilight Zone if it was still running.
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Your only objective here on these boards is to troll
Oh god the irony, it just made my meter go into a nuclear meltdown.
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The point is people are still playing it
People are still playing the original EQ as well. Along with a certain emulator. So what?
The reason it is irrelevant is because there are millions of people that disagree with you. You cannot pass off your opinions as fact if the the player and financial numbers don't agree with you.Again, millions smoke, play Farmvile, Angry birds, etc. Using this logic, smoking cigs is good for you, and Angry Birds and the like are the best games ever. As more people have played them than WoW players.
And their financial numbers don't agree with me? So you deny that they have lost over a billion in revenue in just a few year period? LOL! Oh boy...
I never said WoW was good. In fact, I said I never played WoW. I also said that the numbers just don't agree with you. The whole point is that your opinion is not fact. If you are going to try to pass your opinion off as fact then you must present some evidence as to why WoW is bad despite the huge financial and critical success it has seen.I already did present evidence as to why it's bad. It's dumbed down as it can be. Any dumber and the game would literally play itself.
As for the whole bridge thing; the 80s called, they want there extremely stupid hypothetical scenario back. Unless one is suicidal or trying out for the X-Games, not many are going to be jumping off bridges anytime soon.Not many have tried WoW once you look at population numbers for the major countries either, never mind comparing it to the world.
The fact you ignore my argument shows yours is bad to begin with. So stop with the whole it's good just because so many play it. It's a terrible argument.
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I don't understand why you have all this ill will towards Blizzard or what this whole conversation applies to swtor or the thread.
It may come as a shock for you, but there was a time where Blizzard didn't dumb down every game they made.
I still play the original StarCraft close to once a year. It's the completely opposite for me when it comes to SC2. And Diablo 3 is a joke compared to previous Diablos.
That happens when you have next to zero of the original dev team work on it. Also doesn't help when Diablo 3's dev team apparently are little kids as they showed after a certain reaction to a interview. Which probably explains the dumbed down nature of D3.
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If this game was current wow in a star wars skin it probably wouldn't be f2p right now, but it was wow in 2004 with a star wars skin and still is.
If this was WoW in 2004 it wouldn't be as dumbed down as it is. Because yes, there was a time where WoW wasn't that dumbed down.
SW:TOR failed at launch for being exactly like WoW in terms of gameplay and having next to no end game content, along with never expanding on the class stories.
That is still one of the biggest, if not biggest, thing people want now, more class stories.
SW:TOR made the mistake of nearly every MMO after WoW has done, being too much like WoW. And unfortunately the main reason why a lot of people played SW:TOR in the first place, had it's future dependent on it also having WoW's success.
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you know you are hilarious. and hypocritical, since you are flinging ad hominem insults left and right in practically every reply.
and if there's something in SWTOR you genuinely enjoy, enough to stay subscribed to it? then it must not be such a bad game, yes, even to your oh so particular tastes.
no popular =/= good anymore then niche = better. however, often times things become popular becasue they are good, becasue enough people find them appealing. so... popular =/= bad not is mainstream=bad, either, mkay?
you know. I can't stand girlscout cookies. they just don't work for my taste palate. like at all. but I know plenty of people who love the hell out of them stocking up whenever they have a chance. they genuinely love the taste and think its the best thing since sliced bread. it doesn't make them lemmings. it doesn't objectively make girl scout cookies bad, just because i don't like the way they taste. your opinion on what's good or bad? is merely your opinion. it is NOT by any means a fact.
Ad hominem would be me saying you are wrong because of "insert something personal."
I have not done that so nope. And also the only hypocrite here is you guys. When your argument is used against you, it's suddenly bad. If you are going to say because a few million people play a game it must be good, you are then saying anything popular is good by default.
It's called the ad populum argument, and it's a failure of one.
One of you essentially admits your entire argument is wrong, but then proceed to strawman me.
As I never said just because it's niche means it's better.
Now you saying I said things I never did.
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Actually these are all answers someone gives who's afraid to give their own opinion because they fear having their opinion criticized.
So give us just one.
I'm not going to waste my time because I know the pathetic argument you guys will use next.
Pretty much it will be "it wasn't as popular as WoW therefore they weren't better."
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Argue all you want. One time you say SW:TOR copied off WoW and its a flop then you say SW:TOR isn't gonna fail cause its not like WoW. Atleast people like infernixx have constructive arguments, and im glad he is on the best forum posters thing ;P
So cry all you want, I really can't give much of a crap and the only reason i'm replying is because im bored
EDIT: Farmville,angryirds etc. don't exist for a decade. And people leave those game super fast while WoW's sub still sustain high up.
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What, when did I ever say SW:TOR wasn't going to fail? Can you people NOT use a logical fallacy as an argument even once?
WoW has lost 50% of it's revenue in a very short amount of time. If any other company had a 50% lost of profits, which they did lose, in a few year period on their main product. Panic would be consuming the company. But because it's WoW, you guys are giving it a free pass. They are making a billion or more LESS a year with that lost of subs. But keep on bragging that it has 7 million subs while ignoring it once had nearly twice as many.
That is horrible, especially since the latest SC2 expansion apparently didn't sell as well as the SC2 WoL did.
I love how you just basically ignore how popular angry birds and facebook games are with a pathetic excuse of them not being around for a decade, so the argument doesn't apply to them.
It's also hilarious you mention that people leave that game fast, but again, you ignore the fact that WoW's sub numbers are pretty much half of what they were 2-3 years ago.
More fail at logic from you guys.
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Based on your posts in this thread, what you call "reality" is probably what the rest of us would call "bat sh** crazyville".
Now you are projecting. I'm through with you.
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Which are?
Oh boy, you guys can't even use Google, or you're still a little kid if you don't remember any of them.
take care! keep your bridge clean.
. It may be a shock for you but we moved onto the next generation where RPG's aren't text-based and developers focus out on new stuff that is hot on the market.
Just wanted to toss another post out there calling for pazaak and swoop racing!
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You don't understand what he is saying....