And I'm not even an RPer . Just the fact that it would sell, especially for the RP community. Plus, some of the work for it has already been done. It wouldn't that a huge effort to implement. Already have the models, just need some customizations for them. Then add in some vocal work for the intro quest from companions. After that, Cartel Market the heck out of it and roll around in the green!

It sells, thats just it. Microsoft did it with Fable for years. Heck Blizzard has added useless crap like this for years in WoW. Pandaria, pokemon battles...come on they built an entire expansion around it. People like customization, they like things that can make the game more personal to them. Kids would be a big feature that would bring in something that no one else is doing. At the end of the day, the biggest money makers for MMOs are not the hardcore gamer scene, its the stuff like this for the casuals. Heck STO is alive today only because of the RP community and it got so huge that Cryptic started just designing for that community. SWTOR is a similar boat cept it actually has some form of endgame. The RP and the casual community is likely keeping SWTOR alive. Not the hardcore raiders who finish content in a week and move on. Heck I had a guy in guild who spent so much on the Cartel market that BW blocked his account thinking he was hacked. We're talking into the thousands of dollars. Silly thing was, he found out he was one of a few on our server that has to have a special account. He even raged at BW because he opened over 180 Freelancer packs that he bought and didn't get any lizard mount. So there are people dumping tons of money into customization. Just imagine how much more they'd dump on kids or something like this. If we want to see better endgame and a future for this game, we have to suffer through cartel stuff. Might as well make it good in the mean time. Ditto on Pazaak/etc. BW made a major moronic move by not including that.

Kids... Thats right, kids. Now laugh a bit everyone but think about what Elder Scrolls did with Skyrim. They added a home creator and along with it, brought in the ability to adopt kids. This marked a huge surge and delivered a highly popular DLC. My proposal is to build on the player housing that is coming and add more storyline for our characters via the companion love interests. Note that in everyone of the companions there are either conversations or letters sent later where they are considering kids in the future. So lets see it happen! When the player buys a new house they get a new conversation option with their love interest. Idea of it is they imply that now since you have a stable residence, that it would be time to start a family. Can elaborate this more but ultimately it leads to a new in game character creation screen. Now I know players who just love making new characters. They are nuts for it. They'll spend loads of time in the character creator. This kids creator will be a gold mine for them. It could also be tailored to our legacy since after all, we can list some characters as kids in it. Kid models would be standardized. We already have them in game. Coruscant has some in quests. The models aren't bad. We'd just need a few more variations and species. Now for those that can't be bothered to sit around in the creator, there could also be a simple adoption option. There has got to be lots of orphans due to this war, the player instead of choosing to make a child with their companion, they could adopt. Adopted children would not have any character creation options. All of this could expand exponentially via Cartel market. New games to play with the kids, emotes, heck even the option of making them a pet to take with you on adventures. WoW did this with that childrens day event and it was hugely popular to take kids into raids. Most of my raid groups did it for kicks and giggles. How it would work out with F2P and Subs, I'll leave that open. Could limit kids to a subscriber or unlocks basis, or could give F2P the option of being able to adopt but not able to use the character creator. Or could also limit the number of kids they could have. Lots of ideas and options. Myself, I think it would be great to be able to have more than one in your player house. You come in from Ops or FPs and there they are playing together or doing homework/etc. Give your companion a special automated emote setup so when they enter they right away go to doing parent stuff with them. Heck you could even expand this all and give the kids affection like the companions. Lots of ideas! So there you go Bioware, something I don't think any MMO has done or if they have, I haven't played it. It is something that would fit perfectly into SWTOR and likely make you folks a lot of money along with an increase in subs.

Bioware enough...really. We literally cannot beat this fight on HM because of bugs. Every time we get a good attempt, monster vanishes, boss vanishes, puddles don't spawn in. Tonight...300k left on her...boss disappears. Tanks can't swap. Dead. Stop diddling around making cartel stuff and FIX THE GAME!

Sigma Squad has been given the code. My thanks and blessing to them in continuing this thread. May they carry it on well!

Due to Sovereign's involvement I cannot in good conscience hand over the thread to conspirators involved. You and Epic have been branded enemies of this guild and either of your guilds handling this thread I cannot view as being neutral to the community. Info has been backed up and is awaiting a new handler. Please contact me privately. Code has been distributed to a responsible member in the Bergeren Community so it is not only backed up on mine but they have it. Whatever they choose to do with it is up to them.

Due to recent events I feel my neutral position on maintaining this thread will be compromised in the near future. So effective immediately I request a replacement be made. I know Ascension offered months back but I am guessing they changed their minds because they haven't communicated back with me. Whoever picks it up I will give you the forum code for all the work that has been done since my predecessor left a year ago. I won't be leaving game but updating may be problematic.

El Elyon 7/7 SaV SM 16 man done Also 1/5 TFB NM

Updates in. Yeah as far as progression goes. It has to be pure progression as far as I'm concerned. Otherwise we'll be adding tons of asterisks to everything. I don't want to dumb down the achievement. If guilds want to skip and try the other bosses then go nuts. At the very least you'll gain experience for when you get title runs. Also get loot which is good too. But only report actual progression. BW will eventually retune if something is deemed impossible. If we have to wait longer then so be it. In the meantime think of ways to overcome it, maybe something you missed or a way to optimize dps better. I assume if the enrage is that tight that guilds are having the tanks dpsing on the kill target as well as tanking. If their added, although small, level of dps doesn't help then yeah something is likely off.

Updates in. Welcome to the thread Merc fleet! I've closed the legacy part to new additions since it is old content. But your new progression is added. I'm a little irked with BW about the endgame. I don't think they are putting their best effort into it, or really much of any effort. They came out with some great fights a year ago but let things go big time in Rise of the Daily Cartel. All I'm seeing is more and more being thrown into Cartel market. I really wasn't expecting much from TFB NM. Honestly I think we should have had it awhile ago. TFB HM @ 55 I don't feel is scaled well. We need new content and they don't seem to be able to provide much beyond new stories on one new planet, which technically should have been free to subs. It is concerning. Almost getting a STO vibe from TOR and I don't like that. STO is something I play when they finally add a bunch of new content cause it has very little endgame. If this is where TOR is going then they might as well just nuke the harsh restrictions on F2P and go all out. Which is sad...really sad.

Updates in. Revas I'm not sure how to put yours under since it is a 50/50 split Op. Usually raiding groups are established for such. 16 man achievements do get a higher listing than 8 mans but I can't quite give it to either of you because technically you didn't complete it with all 16. CM also has no addition on this thread. They've never taken the time to add themselves. I don't want to discount the achievement because 16 man is good to list. Just need to know who you'd like it listed under and how. One option is I add another asterisk which would denote it was done with an alliance group but the kill would still have to go to someone. Which is why if you had a group name for the alliance I could just post it under that. If you want to discuss it with CM and get back to me, that would be great.

Updates in. I have reinstated DWAI. It very well could have been a bug but cannot be sure. Since they proved they can take it down, the ban is lifted. Sorry for the harsh stance but I want this as a warning that any nonsense from any guild will be met with swift action. Don't want this thread to turn into a mess with guilds scheming against each other. Your guild came to the thread with no info about it, just kill claims, so it rose suspicions even more when others approached me about it. Gratz on all the progress. Oh El Elyon is Golden Fury HM now too.

Guild Don't Worry About It is officially banned from this progression thread for false reporting. Thanks to those who brought it to attention. If they can explain it properly why members do not have the achievement for killing endboss of SaV HM which were listed as being on the kill...I'll consider reinstating. As for now, I am showing zero tolerance for any misleading behavior. Let it be a warning to all guilds, get caught, you'll be removed.

El Elyon 5/5 TFB HM..again...lol Updates in. Any more guild info Don't Worry?

El Elyon 7/7 SaV HM and 4/5 TFB HM updates in..

Updates in! Nice to see some cooperation between guilds to take down 16 man content. Gratz to those involved with Doomed on Arrival.

Updates in. Yeah Legacy is there for reference. It is a little redundant doing lvl 50 stuff now since you can go in at 55 and overpower the place. Focus more on the new content. I'm not insisting on screens. If it involves new content and firsts then yeah could be good. However, if a dispute emerges all that is needed is screens of legacy where it notes the time and date/etc. Community has been good with this so far so its not really something I see being mandatory yet.

Updated and El Elyon 6/7 SaV HM

K updates in. I've added El Elyon as well. 2/5 TFB HM and 4/7 SaV. Prolly have more by weekend. Will be dropping in again.

K updated. Imp Northwest. Keeping the legacy up for reference for now. It isn't progression level anymore so I'm not really adding to it.

Updates in. Yeah the progress will only be for guilds. Not going to list teams within guilds. I'll check my messages. Probably a bunch in there. I have been a bit busier in real life and also in Guns of Icarus Online. Helped form a team there and we're entering the Cogs tournament this weekend. The devs granted us beta server access to test the upcoming patch for this weekend's event. So I've been having to dig into that a bit heavily and generate some new tactics/etc to use in our airship battle. Why I posted if someone would like to pick it up. Not that I'm unwilling or am quitting but I would not mind passing the torch. I'm probably not going to be able to update it every day.

Updates in. El Elyon 5/5 TFB story and Toborros. Gotta recheck what we've done with TFB HM. Two ops groups here. I know they've made excursions into it but I haven't been on to see how far. I'll post later. Our other group just started into SaV and will hopefully catch up soon.

Updates in! Yeah I'll keep firsts for new content. Not too worried about TFB content. If a dispute comes up can just link achievements which will list the date and time it took place. Oh forgot, El Elyon 7/7 S&V SM

Ok...had a heck of a schedule change right around the time 2.0 hit. Got it caught up. Also added new sections for level 55 content. Hopefully start filling those in. One thing to note, we may have to make a new thread. Had some issues with the editor here trying to edit and update. Maybe its getting too big. To simplify things for now, I've sectioned off the lvl 50 content into a spoiler section. If I keep having trouble with the thread I'll open a new one. Maybe call it 3.0 or something, dunno. But I do want to preserve the old content for future reference. I've also considered letting someone else pick up the thread and run with it. Do a better job than I have. I scrambled to save this when Zinaire left in the hopes of keeping BC active so folks would see there is still life on the server. As that role has been fulfilled, I really don't mind the idea of passing the torch. Ashen Order, it is hard to say who is server first on Imp side. After the initial thread was ended it was rough to get any info on Imp guilds for awhile. So I hesitate to label a bunch of server firsts for the old content. In fact, I'm seriously considering not listing server firsts just because I don't want to see guilds tearing into each other over it.

Ok updates in! Hmmm, that is a good question ZooMzy. Do you all have a main community name? What we could do is list the community then in a bracket list the guild names that are part of that community. That way the guild names do get posted and people can see it is a community working towards progression.