Not counting a few instances of boss strat talk (largely unnecessary, but still communication), one out of ~30 unique FP/Op groups. You nailed it with your analysis. People whisper you, show up, go into the instance, do their thing, then say "thx 4 group" and drop as soon as you are done. I'd really like for someone to point to me at how no LFG tool creates a paragon of community, because being at the endgame for 2 weeks now? I ain't seein it.

Naturally I assumed "could not turn the turret" meant literally, and not an exaggeration. That said, I've done it twice, with myself, a friend, and 4 other people, and none of us had problems.

Not counting Jar Jar Binks (who is a shoe in for every thing he says, and isn't fair in this "contest"), any dialogue spoken in scenes where Hayden Christiansen and Natalie Portman were alone together.

+1 Sitting on Imperial fleet with my healer friend and a pug DPS spamming "LF tank for x" for an hour or more doesn't do anything for the community, and not allowing players to do content ruins the community more than an automated group tool ever could.

Not scared, but will say it was a pretty creatively made dungeon. Never thought I'd see lighting used in an MMORPG like it's used in KuS.

+1 to HM FE, one of our party got knocked off and couldn't roll on items or get the crystals at the end.

We had no problems with it, 4 people who never did it before. Wiped once because our tank and one DPS got knocked off during the "puzzle" part but that's it. You know you have to turn the turret with RMB, right?

Only use knockback to prevent those mobs from hitting me after I tear aggro off the tank. Tank better -your DPS.

If it's not performing actions than it's controlled, not that hard really. Also seconding tanks breaking CC. Slice a droid, they walk up and hit it with their light stick. Cut it out guys

The forum minority has lead me to believe that this never happens when no LFG tool is available, and that everything is rainbows and sprinkles. I think I've been lied to

Uhhhhh. What? It didn't change the content at all. What are you on about?

So DPS just shouldn't be able to clear content as fast as tanks or heals? That is the stupidest excuse not to have an LFG tool that I have ever read, and I've been around for awhile.

Simple need/companion need/greed/pass system that has been suggested dozens of times. Restrict classes that get nothing out of the gear from rolling need. Agents can't need Aim gear, Warriors can't need Willpower gear, etc. Everyone can companion need/greed/pass.

It gets complained about, but it's different in a couple of ways. First off, resilience doesn't scale as well as expertise does. This, combined with the fact that expertise increases the damage and healing as well as decreasing damage taken from other players means that the gap between a fresh character and a geared character is much larger Secondly, getting the gear is easier. Not only can you get a crafted set as soon as you hit 85, but your can get the previous season set after about a week of honor grinding, and that's if you are doing it casually. I've rushed it in 3 days after coming back to the game. Meanwhile in SWTOR you have to hope for lucky item drops. Finally, as you mention, WoW has arenas, another path to PVP progression. SWTOR doesn't have this. It simply has the same 3 BG's and no other way to acquire gear than grind them (or Ilum *shudder*) and roll the dice. This makes the feeling of the grind longer than it actually is.

The problem isn't the length of the instances (for the most part, some FPs are longer than preferred), but how long it takes to find players. Even DPS on my server takes 20 minutes to find some nights.

On my Sniper because the quest flow was awful. Can someone sum up the story for me?

It's not easy or hard, it's simply random. Terms like easy or hard predetermine some kind of scale by which to measure difficulty. There is no difficulty in completing fairly mundane tasks and receiving a random reward for those tasks.

90% of the off spec rolls are made after asking, with the remaining just needing because they can. Which is fine with me. Heroics aren't raids, and you can do them once a day until your eyes bleed. That's how you get geared on your offspecs: By doing content on your main spec. I'd imagine the same thing would happen in SWTOR and don't really see the problem. As far as being jerks and accountability in general, the dungeon finder in WoW delivers perfect accountability. Any player can /ignore any other player and never group with that player ever again. This has the added bonus of lowering the pool of players the ignored person can pull from next time he wants to do a dungeon. This takes accountability out of the hands of human beings who are flawed, jealous, spiteful creatures by nature and into the individual to decide who they want to group with. I don't understand your parting comment; I used the LFG window last night. But it's a flat-out inferior system and should be replaced, even if it felt like working, which right now is sporadic at best.

Have done heroics up to Belsavis, 3 manning most of them, we never needed our tank or the healer to be specifically specced and we still tore through them. Good call on the CC though.

The turret part was far easier than I imagined it would be. We did it (me, friend, 2 pugs) easily. The puzzle part was frustrating. Communicating via text only and not even being able to ping the map was really bad. On top of that it wasn't really a logic puzzle; it's just simply going to terminals and keeping them open for the next one. Seemed like an obnoxious way to extend an already decent instance.

Said much more eloquently and flat out better than I could have ever put it, thanks for your contribution! I fully expect it to be shot down by ridiculous hyperbole about Joe Bob's WoW server which died overnight.

Yes, we were so spoiled by that feature that worked marvelously and resulted in an immediate and sudden subscriber jump as everyone could now do casual PVE content at their own pace, in groups where they didn't have to worry about jerks or ninjas. I use this system as well as spam chat. It's hard to tell if it's actually helping. Also, it's fairly buggy; it routinely resets me every few minutes and removes the LFG tag. I'm not using it because I don't want to; I'm using it and it's not effective enough.

I do play a sniper. My point was LOS is flat out broken in this game. Enemies slightly above or below your position bug out and give you the "Cannot see enemy" error, and the game lets you shoot through actual LOS blocks like pillars for awhile before it catches up with itself.

What's funny is that people saw the headlines then just used it as an excuse to try to push any agenda they want without really reading the story. WoW has lost a couple million subs over the last year or so, but over 800,000 of those were Chinese, which were lost for two very important factors that have NOTHING to do with the dungeon finder: Chinese gaming market, and the state of the game. In China (and Asia/SEA specifically) the market for competing games is MUCH larger than in the west. This is combined with the fact that the Chinese version of WoW is a gimped version of WOTLK, which isn't even connected with the current version of WoW Blizzard has been making and working on. As I said, it's people seeing a headline, thinking about how much they personally don't like LFG, and trying to connect the dots. The fact is that after the LFG tool was added WoW subscriptions went up and continued to go up until a few months after Cataclysm, where they have been on the decline. It has NOTHING to do with the LFG tool, and is simply people trying to place correlation with causation.

Oh for sure, it's definitely going to come to the game. The fact that they left the possibility open makes it a guarantee. As soon as people on the lower-end servers are quitting in droves do to not being able to run content (ie, play the game) it will come. Just a question of how much money Bioware wants to lose I haven't seen any attacks from pro-LFG. Anti-LFG posts reek of ad hominem character assassinations.